Re-watch thread ATL @ NE

[Ring 6]

I know that. Should have audibled is my point. As you know Jules, Gronk and Tom will change the routes based on the coverages and Tom will just know what they are doing and vice versa. I don't think Cooks is there yet.

What?
You can’t read changing a deep slant to a go presnap.
Presnap there is no safety out of position read. It’s debatable the safety would be out of position for the go if he wasn’t reacting to the throw.

 

[luuked]

My point is Tom should have called a 'go" but he didn't b/c he and Cooks aren't on that wavelength yet.

I dont think this is how it works. They called a specific play in the huddle, then when Amendolas motion made almost the entire backfield of Atlanta shift, the routes for some of our receivers automatically changed into what we have seen. A go was not even an option on this play given how quickly Brady threw the ball.

 

[Tony2046]

I completely disagree. And if you have seen my thoughts on this play a few posts further up you know that I also think that an option to switch the route to go would have been an easy TD.. but look at what point Brady is throwing the ball:



They have to be on the same page in terms of timing and route for this entire play to work. When Cooks turns around the ball will be almost next to him. At least thats the way I see it..

That's a great shot. I think that settles it.

Both Brady and Cooks were on the same page.

 

[Tony2046]

I know that. Should have audibled is my point. As you know Jules, Gronk and Tom will change the routes based on the coverages and Tom will just know what they are doing and vice versa. I don't think Cooks is there yet.

Brady threw the ball before Cooks was looking. That means that both Brady and Cooks were thinking the same thing. To me that means they were on the same page.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What?
You can’t read changing a deep slant to a go presnap.
Presnap there is no safety out of position read. It’s debatable the safety would be out of position for the go if he wasn’t reacting to the throw.

Brady threw the ball before Cooks was looking. That means that both Brady and Cooks were thinking the same thing. To me that means they were on the same page.

I dont think this is how it works. They called a specific play in the huddle, then when Amendolas motion made almost the entire backfield of Atlanta shift, the routes for some of our receivers automatically changed into what we have seen. A go was not even an option on this play given how quickly Brady threw the ball.

It is how it works.
Rob Gronkowski, Football's Brainiest Tight End

Tom Brady, Patriots' offense built to adapt

I think if Cooks was on Deion Branch or JE11 wavelength w/ Tom he would have. The FS was way too shallow. Cooks would have blown right past him but instead stayed with the play.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If you take the time to change Cooks route the safety might shift back over. Even with no audible, you also don't know he is going to stay in the middle, it could have been a trap coverage. I think the way it played out was fine, and a TD does not improve the win % much at all in this situation, but an INT does.

Tom Brady, Patriots' offense built to adapt

 

[luuked]

I think if Cooks was on Deion Branch or JE11 wavelength w/ Tom he would have. The FS was way too shallow. Cooks would have blown right past him but instead stayed with the play.

He would have blown past him and the ball would have landed at sticks depth and would have been an incompletion.

You are wrong in this case.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Here are the flaws with your thinking.
1) there is an actual play called in the huddle.
2) it wasn’t a go because if it was cooks wouldn’t be looking for the ball wher he got it.
3) Brady’s progressions arent “see when you think the best time to throw to cooks is” it was to hit cooks right there and he was.

It wouldn’t make sense to be calling go routes in that situation.

Plays are called and routes can be changed at the LoS

Tom Brady, Patriots' offense built to adapt

 

[RobertWeathers]

He would have blown past him and the ball would have landed at sticks depth and would have been an incompletion.

You are wrong in this case.

An appropriate amount of loft which would have provided Cooks adequate time to catch up to it while separating from #37 would have been fine.

 

[luuked]

An appropriate amount of loft which would have provided Cooks adequate time to catch up to it while separating from #37 would have been fine.

So both players are on the same page in terms of route and timing, the play succeeds and results in a first down when you are 20-0 up.

And your point is that this is a play that somehow shows that Brady and Cooks are not in sync because we didnt go for a lower percentage throw that doesnt affect the win probability that much more than this one ?

 

[Ring 6]

Plays are called and routes can be changed at the LoS

Tom Brady, Patriots' offense built to adapt

There was no reason to change that call at the LOS. There wasn’t a look that would call for a change.

You are saying based upon what the safety did after the snap (and in reaction to Brady throwing the slant) should have had Brady change the call. That’s literally impossible.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So both players are on the same page in terms of route and timing, the play succeeds and results in a first down when you are 20-0 up.

yes because they stayed in the play that was called

And your point is that this is a play that somehow shows that Brady and Cooks are not in sync because we didnt go for a lower percentage throw that doesnt affect the win probability that much more than this one ?

A lofted 30 yard out is a less % pass than a 60mph bullet up a seam?

How do you know the win probability goes down?

 

[Ring 6]

An appropriate amount of loft which would have provided Cooks adequate time to catch up to it while separating from #37 would have been fine.

That’s not the play call. Sticking it in like he did was executing the play exactly as called.
If the route runs deeper the safety THEN BECOMES able to affect it.

You are wrong in this case.

 

[Ring 6]

yes because they stayed in the play that was called



A lofted 30 yard out is a less % pass than a 60mph bullet up a seam?

How do you know the win probability goes down?

Wait you wanted him to break off the route and run an out?

Jesus. Edelman has never done anything like that. You are way out of whack here.

 

[RobertWeathers]

There was no reason to change that call at the LOS. There wasn’t a look that would call for a change.

You are saying based upon what the safety did after the snap (and in reaction to Brady throwing the slant) should have had Brady change the call. That’s literally impossible.

Safety was shallow before the snap.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That’s not the play call. Sticking it in like he did was executing the play exactly as called.
If the route runs deeper the safety THEN BECOMES able to affect it.

You are wrong in this case.

You are missing my point. Change is presnap

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wait you wanted him to break off the route and run an out?

Hes breaking off nothing. Eithe he continues to run a go or a corner route.

Jesus. Edelman has never done anything like that. You are way out of whack here.

Edelman is not Cooks.

 

[Tony2046]

Wait you wanted him to break off the route and run an out?

Jesus. Edelman has never done anything like that. You are way out of whack here.

I think all he is saying is that if Cooks and Brady had the same level of communication as Brady and Edelman they could have turned that into a bigger play.

 

[NE-VT]

A lofted 30 yard out is a less % pass than a 60mph bullet up a seam?

How do you know the win probability goes down?

A out would not have been a good route against this defense. Both the FS and the CB were dropping into deep zones. An out would have cut into the CB's zone. It is a seam route because it exploits the seam between the zones.

Because the FS and the CB did not drop particularly deep, we might have been able to complete a much deeper go route. We could not have known that pre-snap. That was about their post-snap depth of zone.

I question if we would even want to try that deeper throw even if we knew it was a possibility against their depth of zone. The reason it has a lower % is because:

1. The ball is going to be in the air longer, which gives the DBs more time to make a play on the ball.

2. It is a longer developing route, which gives the CB and the FS more time to react to the route.

3. Again, because it is longer developing, Brady might get sacked, get the ball knocked out, or the ball might get tipped/picked, etc.

 

[Ring 6]

It is how it works.
Rob Gronkowski, Football's Brainiest Tight End

Tom Brady, Patriots' offense built to adapt

I think if Cooks was on Deion Branch or JE11 wavelength w/ Tom he would have. The FS was way too shallow. Cooks would have blown right past him but instead stayed with the play.

Dude you have to look at that play again.
The safety moves away on motion then moves back and is clearly and obviously moving to double cooks. Brady got the throw there before the safety could affect the play. If he waited and threw a deeper ball he brings the safety into the play.