Jacoby Brissett

[Tunescribe]

The kid is playing some good football the past few weeks.

Unlike Garoppolo we had him under control for a few more years. Trading him has been a mistake, so far anyway.

Geez, yet ANOTHER Jacoby rumpswab thread. He is a COLT now, people!

Here, go buy yourself one of these and have a ball. Then shuddup about him.

 

[RayClay]

Brisset has unique poise and calm due to playing for a team that allowed rushers to come free constantly. Even a bad team seems like a vacation. I don't think over the course of a career he'll show to be outstanding, but I could be wrong. Either way, he was going to be cut and Hoyer is better now as a backup here, so the Dorsett pickup is gravy if he shows anything.

 

[maineman209]

Brissett is on the Pro Bowl ballot. Since you can vote for up to 6 QBs, you can vote for both Brady and Brissett if you want.

None of Hoyer, Garoppolo or Cassell are listed, but it would have been fun to be able to vote for all of them multiple times - just to eff with the stupid popularity contest.

 

[captain stone]

...Either way, he was going to be cut and Hoyer is better now as a backup here, so the Dorsett pickup is gravy if he shows anything.

When exactly was Brissett going to be cut?

 

[Brady6]

But, we need a mediocre WR and Hoyer is better than Brisset.

Hoyer is not better than Brissett. Brissett has better stats, grades higher on PFF and has won more games this season. Hoyer is a journeyman backup, Brissett appears to have a bright future in the nfl.

 

[Brady6]

If we trade to get Brisset back as a starter, what are we going to do with Brady?

Huh? Who said anything about Brady.

The way I see it we had more value in Garoppolo and Brissett then we got back. Feel free to disagree but that is my personal opinion just the same.

 

[luuked]

What make AJ and Garoppolo worthy of a second round pick and not Brissett? From a pure physical talent perspective Brissett is the superior athlete, has a superior arm, and has superior size, he is also several years younger and under the teams control for 2 more seasons.

Kinda ironic that you focus so much on the physical side of things when it comes to QBs given your username.

 

[RayClay]

Hoyer is not better than Brissett. Brissett has better stats, grades higher on PFF and has won more games this season. Hoyer is a journeyman backup, Brissett appears to have a bright future in the nfl.

Hoyer has thrown over 1400 passes in the NFL and played a significant amount with 6 NFL teams. Brisset has played a little over half a season.

 

[RayClay]

When exactly was Brissett going to be cut?

I don't think they were going to carry three qbs again and they were trying to retain Garrop. Maybe they could have made a trade, but I doubt they would have done better than a former 1st round receiver.

 

[luuked]

Hoyer is not better than Brissett. Brissett has better stats, grades higher on PFF and has won more games this season. Hoyer is a journeyman backup, Brissett appears to have a bright future in the nfl.

Hoyer is a better backup QB for the Patriots than Jacoby Brissett and it is not even close. There is no question about it. He can at least somewhat function in a Josh McDaniels offense whereas for JB you have to devise a totally different offense. Sure at some point Hoyer might melt down and turn into a hot mess but he can at least function in our offense on a fundamental level.

Now when you are talking about the two in general and not specifically in the context of the Patriots then it is a more difficult comparison. Hoyer is what he is, but he has shown a longevity in the league that is actually not that common. And the longer JB will play the more his flaws will be apparent and he will be attacked specifically.

 

[Nehalem]

Hoyer is not better than Brissett. Brissett has better stats, grades higher on PFF and has won more games this season. Hoyer is a journeyman backup, Brissett appears to have a bright future in the nfl.

Have to agree with this. Take Hoyer's best year(2015). He posted maybe marginally better stats than Brissett this year. Went 5-4 instead of 3-6. But the 2015 Texans had a top tier defense, while the 2017 Colts defense is garbage.

And Brissett is only in his 2nd year, and he switched teams after training camp. So basically Brissett's floor is as good as Hoyer's ceiling.

 

[Deus Irae]

Have to agree with this. Take Hoyer's best year(2015). He posted maybe marginally better stats than Brissett this year. Went 5-4 instead of 3-6. But the 2015 Texans had a top tier defense, while the 2017 Colts defense is garbage.

And Brissett is only in his 2nd year, and he switched teams after training camp. So basically Brissett's floor is as good as Hoyer's ceiling.

Using your logic:

Hoyer actually managed a winning record as the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns, in two separate seasons, and finished 10-6 in those two years, while non-Hoyer QBs went 1-15. Brissett, QBing on a superior team, is just 3-6.

So, using your logic, Brissett's ceiling is basically as high as Hoyer's footstool.

 

[Nehalem]

Using your logic:

Hoyer actually managed a winning record as the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns, in two separate seasons, and finished 10-6 in those two years, while non-Hoyer QBs went 1-15. Brissett, QBing on a superior team, is just 3-6.

So, using your logic, Brissett's ceiling is basically as high as Hoyer's footstool.

And in those 2 seasons he completed less than 60% of his passes and had a 17-16 TD/int ratio.

In terms of points scored/allowed the 2014 Browns were ranked 27th on offense and 9th on defense.

 

[Kdo5]

It is much too early to say it was a mistake to get rid of Brissett but it is possible. He has played decently in his second year with a trash franchise and trash offensive line. That's a good sign for what he can do with a competent team.

If he does become solid or very good, I'd qualify the decision to trade him as a mistake especially if Dorsett doesn't become a real contributor.

 

[luuked]

It is much too early to say it was a mistake to get rid of Brissett but it is possible. He has played decently in his second year with a trash franchise and trash offensive line. That's a good sign for what he can do with a competent team.

If he does become solid or very good, I'd qualify the decision to trade him as a mistake especially if Dorsett doesn't become a real contributor.

He was not a fit in this offense. No matter what happens with Brissett in his career it was not a mistake to trade him unless he somehow transforms himself into a player that can actually run our offense at least as effectively as Jimmy did for those 1.5 games.

Also without the opportunity to get first team reps and NFL starts he would never develop here the same way he will in Indianapolis for the better and worse. So it is not like we could have waited 2 years and he would have been the same player he will be in Indy in 2019.

 

[Deus Irae]

And in those 2 seasons he completed less than 60% of his passes and had a 17-16 TD/int ratio.

In terms of points scored/allowed the 2014 Browns were ranked 27th on offense and 9th on defense.

And what you just posted means less than nothing, because

10-6

v.

1-15

 

[shmessy]

Kinda ironic that you focus so much on the physical side of things when it comes to QBs given your username.

Actually not.

The "Brady 6" were the other, more athletic QBs drafted ahead of the GOAT.

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[Bruins29]

If he does become solid or very good, I'd qualify the decision to trade him as a mistake especially if Dorsett doesn't become a real contributor.

Solid/Very Good for another team does not = the same for the Pats. He may go on to be good and may have never grasped this offense. What good is that?

 

[Nehalem]

And what you just posted means less than nothing, because

10-6

v.

1-15

I don't think there is a player to ever suit up in the NFL(yes including Tom Brady) that is worth 9 wins by themselves.

If Brian Hoyer happened to be that player why didn't the 2015 Texans win the Super Bowl*, and why is he 1-10 in his last 11 starts?

*probably has something to do with the 4 interceptions he threw in their 30-0 blowout loss to KC.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think there is a player to ever suit up in the NFL(yes including Tom Brady) that is worth 9 wins by themselves.

If Brian Hoyer happened to be that player why didn't the 2015 Texans win the Super Bowl*, and why is he 1-10 in his last 11 starts?

*probably has something to do with the 4 interceptions he threw in their 30-0 blowout loss to KC.

I'm not making any claims about Hoyer. I'm simply applying your logic to his numbers.

I agree that your logic sucks, and that the Hoyer example demonstrates it. I don't agree that Brady (or even Hoyer in this case) could not be worth 9 games on a team.

We've seen that Andrew Luck was worth 9 games to the Colts.
We've seen that Peyton Manning was worth 8 games to the Colts.
We've seen that Brady was worth at least 5 games to the Patriots, even though the Patriots were stacked even without the QB.