Brady for MVP this year or is there someone more deserving?

[PatsFanSince74]

Brady would have been selected as MVP last year, but he missed four games, when the Patriots played like the Patriots and went 3--1, with the one L coming when the #3 QB played the entire game with a broken thumb.

Earlier in December, I'd have said Brady would be selected as MVP this year, no doubt. With the added benefit that it would have made up for last year.

But, now, I'm not so sure. He's given the voters too many reasons to look elsewhere for their selection.

He's thrown more picks than TD's in December and his Pass Rating reflects that. Until Sunday, he hadn't had a multi-TD game since Thanksgiving week. In his defense, he played at least two of those games hurt (given how the Pats report injuries, we'll never know how many games or how hurt) and one game without Gronk, after playing the whole season without his A1 go-to receiver.

But who else would they select? A strong case can be made for Gurley, but after watching the Eagles struggle at home last night to beat a 6--8 team at home when Oakland had nothing to play for, I'm thinking that there's going to be a move back to selecting Wentz. He's given the voters reason to say that he was the most important factor in his team's success.

Before you flame me, note that I framed all of the above in terms of who would be "selected," not who actually "was" the player Most Valuable to his team.

I'm trying to imagine how the Patriots would have done without Brady as QB.

Before Garoppolo took the 1--10 Niners to 5--10, including a W over the Tom Coughlin-led #1 Defense in the NFL. I'd have said that no one could possibly make the argument that there was any other QB who could have gotten the Pats to the threshold of HFA, had Brady been injured a few weeks ago. Now, ironically, Garoppolo's success could be responsible not only for dropping the SF pick to number eight or nine, but could give the voters another reason to look elsewhere for their selection for MVP.

I'm not saying that's 100% logical, just that the voters are going to be looking for reasons not to select the GOAT and pile on yet another honor to further gild his golden crown.

The bright side is that Brady plays best when he's mad. Combine being shunned for an MVP award that he arguable deserved with Guerrero's banishment and he'll be plenty mad by the time of the Kickoff of SB LII. In the final analysis, the sixth Lombardi will do more for his legacy than a third MVP.

 

[Ring 6]

I mean, the idea that Brady is slumping after a game where he completed 75% of his passes for 8.0 yards/attempt and had a 106.8 passer rating is... curious.

Likewise the idea that leading the league in completions, yards and yards per attempt as the QB of the likely #1 seed in the AFC isn't an MVP resume.

He is also the QBs of the offenses that is ranked
1 in total yards
3 in points
1 in first downs
1 in passing yards (despite 7 in pass attempts)
2 in turnovers 3 in ints (wait I keep hearing he makes a lot of bad decisions???)
3 in passing TDs plus 6 in rushing TDs
1 in scoring %
1 in plays per drive
1 in yards per drive
1 in points per drive
Despite being 14 in average drive start fp


Can someone please point out the stat that exists that says he shouldn’t be the mvp, and should even be unanimous

 

[sb1]

If the argument was to deny Brady the MVP last year because he missed 4 games (and if I’m being completely objective that would indeed be a disqualifying factor for me if I had a vote)... the same argument must apply to Wentz.

It may not be unanimous but if Brady doesn’t get MVP then the voters got it wrong IMO. That drive at the end of the Pitt game was enough to clinch it.

 

[chasa]

jimmy garrapolo.

Without him the 49's don't win.

with him? winning streak

coincidence? i think not.

JAG MVP MVP MVP MVP

 

[sb1]

Brady would have been selected as MVP last year, but he missed four games, when the Patriots played like the Patriots and went 3--1, with the one L coming when the #3 QB played the entire game with a broken thumb.

Earlier in December, I'd have said Brady would be selected as MVP this year, no doubt. With the added benefit that it would have made up for last year.

But, now, I'm not so sure. He's given the voters too many reasons to look elsewhere for their selection.

He's thrown more picks than TD's in December and his Pass Rating reflects that. Until Sunday, he hadn't had a multi-TD game since Thanksgiving week. In his defense, he played at least two of those games hurt (given how the Pats report injuries, we'll never know how many games or how hurt) and one game without Gronk, after playing the whole season without his A1 go-to receiver.

But who else would they select? A strong case can be made for Gurley, but after watching the Eagles struggle at home last night to beat a 6--8 team at home when Oakland had nothing to play for, I'm thinking that there's going to be a move back to selecting Wentz. He's given the voters reason to say that he was the most important factor in his team's success.

Before you flame me, note that I framed all of the above in terms of who would be "selected," not who actually "was" the player Most Valuable to his team.

I'm trying to imagine how the Patriots would have done without Brady as QB.

Before Garoppolo took the 1--10 Niners to 5--10, including a W over the Tom Coughlin-led #1 Defense in the NFL. I'd have said that no one could possibly make the argument that there was any other QB who could have gotten the Pats to the threshold of HFA, had Brady been injured a few weeks ago. Now, ironically, Garoppolo's success could be responsible not only for dropping the SF pick to number eight or nine, but could give the voters another reason to look elsewhere for their selection for MVP.

I'm not saying that's 100% logical, just that the voters are going to be looking for reasons not to select the GOAT and pile on yet another honor to further gild his golden crown.

The bright side is that Brady plays best when he's mad. Combine being shunned for an MVP award that he arguable deserved with Guerrero's banishment and he'll be plenty mad by the time of the Kickoff of SB LII. In the final analysis, the sixth Lombardi will do more for his legacy than a third MVP.

JG’s success in SF has no bearing on how he would do here. They went 3-1 without Brady last year not THIS year without Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell and injuries to the OL.

Take Brady off this team this year and it’s extremely hard to picture the Patriots as a playoff team at all never mind on the edge of HFA. Maybe not even .500.

I do agree there’s a sentiment that voters might have Brady fatigue but I think the fact he’s doing this at an age where other QBs have fallen over the cliff should be and will be the deciding factor.

 

[sieglo]

jimmy garrapolo.

Without him the 49's don't win.

with him? winning streak

coincidence? i think not.

JAG MVP MVP MVP MVP

Damn you beat me to posting this.

 

[Uptown]

Patriots Should Not Fear Tom Brady's Slump

 

[fnordcircle]

If he throws 0 picks against the Jets this will be, iirc, the 3rd fewest ints he's thrown in a season in his career. People are reading too much into the fact that they came in a clump.

It's like fans need to find a reason to worry, christ

 

[Uptown]

If he throws 0 picks against the Jets this will be, iirc, the 3rd fewest ints he's thrown in a season in his career. People are reading too much into the fact that they came in a clump.

It's like fans need to find a reason to worry, christ

The guy’s avg 8 INTs per season over the course of his entire career!

Brady:

 

[Uncle Rico]

...
1 in yards per drive...

This highlights something that has really stood out this year -- how often the offense has started deep in its own end. And Brady makes it a non issue.

 

[Ring 6]

JG’s success in SF has no bearing on how he would do here. They went 3-1 without Brady last year not THIS year without Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell and injuries to the OL.

Take Brady off this team this year and it’s extremely hard to picture the Patriots as a playoff team at all never mind on the edge of HFA. Maybe not even .500.

I do agree there’s a sentiment that voters might have Brady fatigue but I think the fact he’s doing this at an age where other QBs have fallen over the cliff should be and will be the deciding factor.

No voter has ever judged an mvp vote based upon guessing how well the team would do if backup played based in guessing how good the backup is. That is not a criterion.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady would have been selected as MVP last year, but he missed four games, when the Patriots played like the Patriots and went 3--1, with the one L coming when the #3 QB played the entire game with a broken thumb.

Earlier in December, I'd have said Brady would be selected as MVP this year, no doubt. With the added benefit that it would have made up for last year.

But, now, I'm not so sure. He's given the voters too many reasons to look elsewhere for their selection.

He's thrown more picks than TD's in December and his Pass Rating reflects that. Until Sunday, he hadn't had a multi-TD game since Thanksgiving week. In his defense, he played at least two of those games hurt (given how the Pats report injuries, we'll never know how many games or how hurt) and one game without Gronk, after playing the whole season without his A1 go-to receiver.

But who else would they select? A strong case can be made for Gurley, but after watching the Eagles struggle at home last night to beat a 6--8 team at home when Oakland had nothing to play for, I'm thinking that there's going to be a move back to selecting Wentz. He's given the voters reason to say that he was the most important factor in his team's success.

Before you flame me, note that I framed all of the above in terms of who would be "selected," not who actually "was" the player Most Valuable to his team.

I'm trying to imagine how the Patriots would have done without Brady as QB.

Before Garoppolo took the 1--10 Niners to 5--10, including a W over the Tom Coughlin-led #1 Defense in the NFL. I'd have said that no one could possibly make the argument that there was any other QB who could have gotten the Pats to the threshold of HFA, had Brady been injured a few weeks ago. Now, ironically, Garoppolo's success could be responsible not only for dropping the SF pick to number eight or nine, but could give the voters another reason to look elsewhere for their selection for MVP.

I'm not saying that's 100% logical, just that the voters are going to be looking for reasons not to select the GOAT and pile on yet another honor to further gild his golden crown.

The bright side is that Brady plays best when he's mad. Combine being shunned for an MVP award that he arguable deserved with Guerrero's banishment and he'll be plenty mad by the time of the Kickoff of SB LII. In the final analysis, the sixth Lombardi will do more for his legacy than a third MVP.

He is also the QBs of the offenses that is ranked
1 in total yards
3 in points
1 in first downs
1 in passing yards (despite 7 in pass attempts)
2 in turnovers 3 in ints (wait I keep hearing he makes a lot of bad decisions???)
3 in passing TDs plus 6 in rushing TDs
1 in scoring %
1 in plays per drive
1 in yards per drive
1 in points per drive
Despite being 14 in average drive start fp


Can someone please point out the stat that exists that says he shouldn’t be the mvp, and should even be unanimous

 

[TB_Helmet]

Todd Gurley is the clear MVP everyone...






......Of my fantasy football league.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Gurley is a monster, hope he stays healthy but what abt Goff & to a slightly lesser extent Donald?

Goff is working with a a lot of moving parts in that team and in that offense.


Brady will be forever underrated.

 

[NormZauchin]

ESPN has a very detailed MVP comparison...Gurley vs Brady

Barnwell: Todd Gurley's surging case for MVP, and why the GOAT still has an edge

Two points that received little or no attention in this article but deserve mention IMO:
1) The Rams making a quantum leap from a 4 win team to a potential 12 win team while NE will likely win one less game year over year. Everyone's definition of MVP is different and voters love to reward rags to riches narratives
2) 50 voting media members from across the nation will have their say and we all know how most of America feels about NE.

Countering these points:
1) Brady's age should earn him plenty of goodwill
2) The wins, the consistency.
Unfortunately, too often this endless stream of excellence gets taken for granted.

The idea that in the modern NFL a running back should be considered for the MVP over a quarterback is an absurdity. Gurley touches the ball 18 or 19 game as a runner. Add a few pass receptions and he's at 20 or 21. Brady touches the ball on every offensive play, reads the defense, and usually throws the ball on over half the plays. He has passed for more than three times as many yards as Gurley has run for. Gurley won't even reach Corey Dillon's 1635 yards with New England in 2004, and I don't remember Dillon getting the MVP. Let's be prepared for the sports media to trot out Shane Lechler, the NFL's leading punter, as the next great MVP candidate.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Colts v. Chargers, 2007

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I could’ve sworn he had a six pick game, thx for substantiating.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Ok guys, I agree w/how you’re seeing it - but in another year, the “QB of the offense with...” argument would be the second take at best. First take is usually individual stat based, second might be who helped their team more... But one of the problems with TFB getting that is that the team does push to excel “in every phase of the game,” and succeeds at it. There’s no “without Brady/with Brady” narrative, b/c it’s been “good” vs. “excellent.”

This is what bugs me about the MVP. Nobody plays a game to decide it, it’s an honor, not an outcome.

PS, it’s Brady’s to lose I suppose. Put the pats anywhere on the field this year, and it seems they’ll score. That’s judging football by the goals of football. More balanced team, usually not behind...

The question becomes, in a normal year, doesn’t this favor bad teams w/standout individuals? (“This” being “do they fall apart in player x”s absence?”)

 

[Uptown]

Peter King thinks Tom Brady is the 2017 NFL MVP

 

[Deus Irae]

Peter King thinks Tom Brady is the 2017 NFL MVP

That'll have circuits popping all over this forum.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

It's Brady. But. They will try their best to put up an argument who it should be rather than TB. Wentz X! R.Wilson X! now its Gurley? I'm waiting for Jimmy G to be added.