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MVP is Mahomes or Brees. Who gets your vote? (Poll)

Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by Ice_Ice_Brady, Dec 24, 2018.

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Vote for 2018 MVP

  1. Drew Brees

    57 vote(s)
    48.3%
  2. Patrick Mahomes

    61 vote(s)
    51.7%
  1. Ice_Ice_Brady

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    No write-ins, not even a Ray Lewis option. There is a zero chance of someone else winning. All the Vegas books have these two neck and neck with no other competition, despite clueless blurbs from writers with their tunnel vision (Russell Wilson, Philip Rivers, etc probably will each get less than three votes). Feel free to discuss the terrible system where defensive players can’t win it in another thread because that isn’t the point of this one and Aaron Donald/Khalil Mack aren’t getting votes either.

    The vote is about who you would vote for, not who you think will win (it’s about a 50/50 prop anyway.)

    It goes without saying both players have very good, if not elite, supporting casts, since those are the ingredients that make up an MVP season for a QB. Brees protection, run game, Michael Thomas, and depth, and Mahomes explosive receivers Hill and Watkins, formerly Hunt as dual threat, and Kelce as a wide receiver (tight ends block.)

    Mahomes
    • 11-4, but getting #1 seed is arguably all that matters when it comes to win/loss record. In 4 losses put up 51, 4o, 31, and 28 points.
    • Chiefs defense is horrendous. 27.9 ppg and one of the worst run defenses.
    • Stats: 66.4%, 4,816 yards, 48 TDs, 11 INTs, 114.0 passer rating.
    • 9.5 adjusted yards per attempt.
    • Obvious takeaways: 48 TDs speaks for itself. Highlight reel making throws and escaping pocket all season, great mobility. Maybe the best arm talent the league ever seen. Though Brees’s completion pct. is 8 points higher, Mahomes adjusted net yards/attempt is .5 higher, which in the opinion is a more important stat. Mahomes is the most exciting player in the league, but there’s tremendous production play and results to go along with that.
    Brees
    • 13-2, #1 seed in NFC and best record in NFL.
    • Saints defense ranked 8th in PPG and easily #1 in run defense. 21.3 ppg. This is a good defense though not as incredible as their reputation; a lot of it is contrast to previous years.
    • Stats: 74.4%, 3,992 yards, 32 TDs, 5 INTs, 115.7 passer rating.
    • 9.0 adjusted net yards per attempt.
    • Obvious takeaways: I personally wouldn’t take anything but 2018 into account, but some may choose Brees in a tiebreaker for a career achievement award. His total yardage and lower touchdowns have to do with the Saints having big leads, a strong running game, and Brees taking his fooot off the gas into the 4th quarter (opposite of his career to date.) The best record in football, highest passer rating in football, and a better TD:INT ratio than Mahomes is a strong argument, and on top of that, looks to have his hands on completion percentage record (breaking his own.)
     
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    Mahomes. What he’s done this year is special.
     
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    Mahomes, but actually Donald.
     
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    Brees, since the MVP curse is real
     
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    Brees is due.
     
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    Brees because they're playing better as the season goes on whereas the Chiefs are faltering as the season drags on.

    Plus Brees is really the only QB playing who I think a real argument could be made that he's on Brady's level.
     
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    Both deserving, I’ll say brees due to saints ending up with the the better record (kc on a 2 game losing streak)
     
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    Brees it's long long overdue!
     
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    This isn’t a reason to be named MVP

    Mahomes is the MVP and it isn’t even close
     
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    Breezus.

    They're neck and neck, but Mahomes has had a hell of a lot of talent around him. Take each QB away from their teams and the Chiefs are a bubble playoff team, where I wonder if the Saints wouldn't have a losing record.
     
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    How can it be Donald if the defense still sucks with or without him? He’s great no doubt, but tough to argue he’s most valuable if their defense sucks. I had Brees but, these last few weeks he’s lost it. It’s Mahomes, no doubt. He’s been consistently awesome.
     
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    Its Mahomie. Brees stats is ordinary by his standard and plays in a dome.
     
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    How is it not close? Besides tds brees has him in completion% qb rating and less INTs.
     
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    Tom Brady.
     
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    Brees is having a career year with regards to completion % qb rating and least amount of INTs thrown.
     
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    voters will only look at the sexy stats: TDs and yards, plus he’s a rookie!
     
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    Brees. But only if they can stop the game to make the announcement.
     
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    16 more TDs, 900 more yards

    115.7 to 114 is the difference in passer rating

    Probable 1 seed, and he’s averaging what like 40 points in their losses while Brees took 3 weeks off on the road and didn’t put together a good game until he got back to his dome.

    It’s not close. If you think it is, you probably have a bone to pick with the chiefs
     
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    I take it you haven't watched Oakland after Mack left?

    One player doesn't make a defense but look at the difference between Oaklands defense this year compared to last. Same w Chicago.

    Now look at Chicago compared to everyone else this year.


    Donald & Mack are great enough to make bad defenses good enough to win & compete. Take them away & you're a joke like Oakland.

    Edit*
    To answer OP it's clearly Mahomes if it's only between him & Brees. And now we can end the silly debate about college influence on the pro game.
     
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    People that think they know football repeat silly narratives


     

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