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    Manning isn't even the greatest QB to have a Colts logo on his helmet. Unitas wasn't an HGH cheat who needed the passing rules changed because his team's owner cried to the competition committee. He retired the #1 passer of his era too, but he had more championships.
     
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    Jordan would’ve demanded $100,023 :D

     
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    A biased comparison, but very thorough...long but probably the most detailed thing I've seen in the Brady vs Montana "debate" (personally I think there's no debate, Brady passed Joe long ago).

     
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    Guess you never saw Russel actually, you know PLAY.
    Russell is the BB version of Tom Brady with world class athletic
    talent.
     
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    There is no debate in football so Hoops took over.
     
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    Not true. MJ didn’t have much success until 1989 when he & Phil Jackson figured out he couldn’t do everything (trying to average a million points per game) by himself. He learned that he had to trust his teammates & condition himself better if he wanted to win. Then Pippen finally developed around that time (Came into the NBA in ‘87) & the rest is history. Also, if you go back and do your research, Pippen randomly had a severe migraine right before Game 7 of the 1990 ECF against the Bad Boy Pistons. Obviously, I cannot definitely say that Chicago would've won that game, but it’s certainly feasible with the way DET played during that series. Chicago mentally/physically had them beat! I’m a basketball historian. Many of you guys are honestly just bias because certain players played during your era & you’re fans of them. I’ve seen both players play & certainly respect the hell out of Russell, but the competition was in fact better during the 80s-2000s; there’s just no way around that. Every team BEFORE AND DURING the Finals that MJ/Bulls defeated were full of HOF players. Lakers, Bad Boy Pistons, Heat, Magic (Shaq/Penny/Grant), Cavs, Portland, Suns, Sonics (excellent squad who really could’ve beaten CHI), 90s Knicks, Hawks, Spurs, Rockets, Pacers, Hornets were all VERY good teams back then. Every team CHI faced in the NBA Finals ALONE were better than the teams Russell faced. AND there wasn’t a THREE POINT LINE. Again, like I said Jordan DOMINATED in an era with the best collection of big men the league has ever seen, so what makes you think that he wouldn’t dunk all over Bill Russell who was all of 6’10 220lbs?!?!?

    STOP IT.



    This Day in NBA Playoffs History: Scottie Pippen Gives the Bulls Migraines in Game 7 of the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals Against the Detroit Pistons
     
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    Bruh, never assume what you think I have or haven’t seen. I know the game! Again, I already gave MAJOR RESPECT to Russell multiple times. He’s definitely in my top 3 along with MJ & Kareem (although my personal favorite big man of all time is Olajuwon for multiple reasons), but MJ is the only “little guy” (relatively speaking) who dominated in the land of giants WITHOUT HIS OWN DOMINANT BIG MAN, changed the game internationally, kept other HOF players/teams from winning rings in a far more competitive league (80s-90s-00s were/are FAR more advanced than the 50s-60s) & went 72-10 with THAT ‘95-‘96 roster!! Plus, he’s one of (if not the only player ever) to win DPY AND THE SCORING TITLE IN THE SAME SEASON. And 9x All-DEF!! AT 6’6! In the 80s-90s era. Playing ALL 82 + games!!!Do you know how impressive that is??!?
     
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    Brady's accomplishments and records are like Russell's, and likewise accurately reflect the fact that he's the best.

    What the two have in common: Less than spectacular athleticism or conventional physical ability, extraordinary character, unselfish team orientation, unmatched determination and commitment to their sport, a healthy awareness and perspective on where playing a game stands in the grand scheme of things, and a good, strong sense of humor.

    I've heard plenty of stories about times when they were in a less than good mood, and you didn't want to be around them. That's just normal and human.

    Anyway, Russell and his achievements have been savagely denigrated and dismissed over the last forty years, in an attempt to diminish them and pump up hyperbole about contemporary stars.

    I see no reason whatsoever that the same will not happen with Tom.
     
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    "Hey man, all those numbers are starting to give me a headache...I'm gonna toke me one, and then I need to get some goggles, 'cause I'm sick of guys poking their finger in my eyes. I mean, I don't know where that finger's been!"
     
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    MJ would have been JAG in the sixties.

    Credit MJ for taking advantage of his opportunities, including help from 80's level medical treatment, encouragement and direction from Phil Jackson, and personal determination. He's a great player.

    Connie Hawkins was better.
     
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    ...Nothing you say is to be taken seriously from here on out (if it already wasn’t). Jordan would’ve averaged SIXTY in the SIXTIES!!! Maybe even 70 after reading your nonsense! Smdh.

     
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    Sure, you’ll get tons of so-and-so playing right now is The GOAT! That will continue to happen as it always has. The media annointing the next guy because he has a superior passer rating and “isn’t like anything we’ve seen before!” will continue to happen, but those are always temporary overreactions (they’ve said it about Rodgers, Favre, Young, Manning, etc and will probably be up Mahomes @ss in a few years.). But the cold water hits them in the face and they sober up as soon as someone else shows up who is now more gifted and efficient (kind of like how Rodgers GOAT conversation died when Mahomes emerged last year.). The difference is Brady (like Montana) will remain atop the mountain, or always remain #2 temporarily before returning quickly to the top because accomplishments, mainly championships, have real staying power.

    Long story short: Brady is going nowhere from GOAT status, other than prisoner of the moment overreactions that quickly fizzle out.
     
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    Same with Russ.

    I guess we do have to give credit to their coaches too.

    Auerbach & Belichick are right up there at the top.
     
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    Agree. Dynasty head coaches and QBs have almost always come without one discrediting the other. Brown-Graham, Lombardi-Starr, Walsh-Montana, Belichick-Brady. No reason why they can’t both be the greatest at what they do. It’s the coach’s job to get the best out of player; it’s the player’s job to execute and win. Only silly Brady haters out there would actually try to make such an inane argument.
     
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    Its the same crap with this guy. He is a mental midget. All he writes on here is about the past players. That is all he talks about. """ Russ Francis was the best TE ever. The Pats Elvis logo is for losers and Pat Patriot is the winner, Jim Plunkett was more talented than Tom Brady"""

    Blah blah blah... It makes this place look juvenile.

    "Jordan would be a JAG in the sixties????" Really???? I am amazed someone this stupid can operate a computer.
     
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    What does JAG mean anyway? I see the term often.
     
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    So, basically a nobody?
     

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