Too soon? Drake Maye vs Tom Brady

[bormio]

Brady is all about Super Bowls. 10 appearances when next highest is Elway with 5. Mind boggling.

Was Brady more talented than Aaron Rodgers? No. Yet 2020 Rodgers season one of greatest in history and loses to Brady 31-26 in playoffs when both threw 3 TD's but Brady threw 3 picks to Rodgers 1. Did Brady win that over Rodgers or did Brady win because the team around him was that much better?

Brady did things after age 40 that nobody else has ever done.

This is why he will likely remain the GOAT for a very long time. So much goes into making Super Bowls that are outside the control of the QB.

Maye is more athletic than Brady, better deep ball thrower, more accurate overall. Brady is probably the greatest processor of all-time.

Maye vs Brady is same as Rodgers (4 MVP's) vs Brady (3 MVP's) as a comparison. Which is greatest comes down to Super Bowls, and hard to believe Brady is caught by anyone, ever.
Mahomes had a shot, but Chiefs are rebuilding, Reid will be gone soon, and his division is not a cake walk anymore. Brady had a cakewalk division for almost his entire career which led to byes and home playoff games. Can't underestimate that.

Brady won that game when he went deep right before half to score a TD and not settle for a FG. Did the same thing to Dorsett right before half in the 2018 season AFCCG vs KC. Both times his team was able to survive a shaky 2nd half. Brady had an innate sense when to go for a kill shot. Something Rodgers sorely lacked at crucial moments in his career (see the finish of regulation of the NFCCG in 2014 vs Seattle - settled for a tying FG)

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Give it a rest

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yep. He admitted this recently on podcasts. He said it got to a point he'd tell coaches (I'm guessing McDaniels) to not even waste their time putting certain players out on the field as he would ignore them. This was a theory we had observed for a while.


Meyers is the lone example. While Meyers wasn't going to put the 2019 team over the top, you could see he was working hard, actually stepping foot on the field and making some plays when called upon. He was the anti N'Keal Harry where it was easy to dislike him after draft night. His lack of urgency his rookie year was preview of his work ethic.

Meyers rookie year was Tom's last. Kind of an incomplete. We don't know if he would have thrived like Malcolm Mitchell or cast to the gulags

 

[RobertWeathers]

Jakobi Meyers (2019)

Though to be fair that could be a Belichick thing and not Brady.

Yea as I said Jakobi is an incomplete.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Jakobi Meyers (2019)

Though to be fair that could be a Belichick thing and not Brady.

To RW's point, Jakobi didn't suck here, though.... (except for that gorramummerfrunking lateral... UGH...edit:UGH).

 

[n1997y]

Way too soon. But for what it's worth, as of Year 2, Maye is better than Brady was as of Year 2

Brady also had the habit of favoring a few receivers and largely ignoring everyone else - Maye is spreading the field with more accuracy and a better completion rate. This alone bodes well as Brady's habit of limiting his receiving targets allowed Ds to double team those players. DCs know Maye will make them pay for that.

Brady developed that bad habit after he got to play with Moss. In the early years of his career it was axiomatic that Brady’s favorite receiver was the open one. It’s one of the areas where there was a pronounced change over the course of his career.

 

[sb1]

Drake is already just 253 yards away from eclipsing TB12's career rushing total. Shocking lol

 

[DC Patriots]

Jakobi Meyers (2019)

Though to be fair that could be a Belichick thing and not Brady.

I was going to mention him and Brandin Cooks. But he said “sucked here,” neither of those guys sucked with the Pats. They just had a bit more success elsewhere.

I think his point is valid

 

[Nehalem]

I was going to mention him and Brandin Cooks. But he said “sucked here,” neither of those guys sucked with the Pats. They just had a bit more success elsewhere.

I think his point is valid

I think the real question was which WRs did Brady "freeze out" that later didn't suck. Obviously most often this success would be with a different team due to Brady still being on the Pats. Harry/Meyers are basically the only players with a chance to be "frozen out" by Brady and then not suck with the Pats without Brady.

Jakobi Meyers didn't even play in the Pats playoff game in 2019.

Now I am not sure how much that was because "Tom didn't like him vs he was a rookie(although Harry did play), or BB not liking Meyers. See how Meyers basically didn't play the first 5 games of the 2020 season as well as BB picking JuJu over him in FA.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Meyers rookie year was Tom's last. Kind of an incomplete. We don't know if he would have thrived like Malcolm Mitchell or cast to the gulags

I misread your previous post that players who were terrible with the Pats haven't had success elsewhere. You are correct that we've yet to see anyone succeed outside of NE. So Meyers doesn't qualify as he showed something his rookie year and progressed each season with the Pats.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I misread your previous post that players who were terrible with the Pats haven't had success elsewhere. You are correct that we've yet to see anyone succeed outside of NE. So Meyers doesn't qualify as he showed something his rookie year and progressed each season with the Pats.

The guy that I really was excited about his rookie year but imploded was Aaron Dobson. He had a reasonably productive rookie year, got hurt vs CAR on MNF and was never the same. Attitude. Health.

 

[Vindicate]

The guy that I really was excited about his rookie year but imploded was Aaron Dobson. He had a reasonably productive rookie year, got hurt vs CAR on MNF and was never the same. Attitude. Health.

Mf'er just dropped everything after his rookie season. Would get separation, would be hit in stride, and drop everything.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Mf'er just dropped everything after his rookie season. Would get separation, would be hit in stride, and drop everything.

Yea he sure did. Just too bad.

 

[Vindicate]

Brady developed that bad habit after he got to play with Moss. In the early years of his career it was axiomatic that Brady’s favorite receiver was the open one. It’s one of the areas where there was a pronounced change over the course of his career.

Brady became very, very demanding of his receivers towards the end. Maybe it was just the natural progression where when he started, he was the same age if not younger than his offensive teammates. As he got older, he became the leader both by skill and age, and he was not easy to impress. The more I listen to Edelman, the more the second half of the dynasty sounded pretty goddamn intense and difficult lol.

 

[NormZauchin]

Yea he sure did. Just too bad.

Hence his nickname "Dropson" which I think the Captain gave him.

 

[brdmaverick]

Okay I mean it pretty much is too soon since Tom Brady had 20 seasons of excellence while Maye hasn't even played a playoff game

But its still fun to compare Maye's 2025 season vs the top seasons Brady had in his career.

Completion %: 72 vs 68.9(2007) best for Brady
Yards/attempt: 8.9 vs 8.6(2011) best for Brady
QB rating: 113.5 better than all but 2007 for Brady
QBR: 77.2 better than all but 2007, 2010, 2016, 2014(tied) for Brady

Also adds 450 yards rushing, which goes without saying, is way more than Brady ever had. And he is doing this in his age 23 season when Tom wasn't riding the pine.

So in short Maye's 2025 regular season compares favorably with pretty much any of Brady's despite not having elite weapons.

Excited to see where this goes in the future!

Yes, WAAAAYYYYYYY too soon.

it's a disservice to both Tom and Drake.

I mean, if I'm Drake, I'm thinking "thanks guys, but slow your roll"

If I'm Tom, I'm like, "I've set an incredible standard for 20 years and won 7 super bowls. To start comparisons to someone in the second year with no super Bowls is just flat out disrespectful".

Let's put it this way, Patrick Mahomes is the only current player that can be even 'in the conversation' and even he still has 4 Super Bowls to go....whcih is no small feat.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady developed that bad habit after he got to play with Moss. In the early years of his career it was axiomatic that Brady’s favorite receiver was the open one. It’s one of the areas where there was a pronounced change over the course of his career.

The real change was he got better guys who were he open receiver more often.
When your favorite receiver is the open gut abs you have a gut who gets open a lot, he gets the ball a lot. When you have a large group of jags they all see the ball.

 

[TB12GOATQB]

Okay I mean it pretty much is too soon since Tom Brady had 20 seasons of excellence while Maye hasn't even played a playoff game

But its still fun to compare Maye's 2025 season vs the top seasons Brady had in his career.

Completion %: 72 vs 68.9(2007) best for Brady
Yards/attempt: 8.9 vs 8.6(2011) best for Brady
QB rating: 113.5 better than all but 2007 for Brady
QBR: 77.2 better than all but 2007, 2010, 2016, 2014(tied) for Brady

Also adds 450 yards rushing, which goes without saying, is way more than Brady ever had. And he is doing this in his age 23 season when Tom wasn't riding the pine.

So in short Maye's 2025 regular season compares favorably with pretty much any of Brady's despite not having elite weapons.

Excited to see where this goes in the future!

Win OVER and OVER again in January and February, and have great season year in and year out for the next 2 decades and we can discuss.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, WAAAAYYYYYYY too soon.

it's a disservice to both Tom and Drake.

I mean, if I'm Drake, I'm thinking "thanks guys, but slow your roll"

If I'm Tom, I'm like, "I've set an incredible standard for 20 years and won 7 super bowls. To start comparisons to someone in the second year with no super Bowls is just flat out disrespectful".

Let's put it this way, Patrick Mahomes is the only current player that can be even 'in the conversation' and even he still has 4 Super Bowls to go....whcih is no small feat.

It’s not too soon at all to talk about skills and regular season play.
It’s many years too soon to talk about GOAT stuff, because that happens over many post seasons.

 

[brdmaverick]

It’s not too soon at all to talk about skills and regular season play.
It’s many years too soon to talk about GOAT stuff, because that happens over many post seasons.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...which is fine. Personally, I think we should wait for him to have more than one good regular season before we compare him to the guy who showed greatness over 20.