Too soon? Drake Maye vs Tom Brady

[neuronet]

let him have a single postseason game for crying out loud

 

[maust]

I think we need to see a few game winning two minute drives before we can have that discussion.

I think we need to see at least a few Lombardi Trophies before we even consider the discussion

 

[Steve102]

Your perception of why Brady didn't spread the ball is off. It wasn't because he locked onto receivers like some kind of binky. It was because he had to when he didn't have other talent to throw to because the numbers show when he did, he distributed the ball very well.

Brady spread the ball around better than anyone in the NFL. Perhaps JSP is referring to late career Brady freezing out guys instead of working with the younger, less clued in WRs. Guys needed to go where they were supposed to go, and if they didn't, he wouldn't throw them the ball. Brady admits this post career. The late dynasty Brady led an offense that was laser focused and professional as any the NFL has seen. If guys did what they were supposed to do, he got them the ball.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Not sure where you are getting your numbers.

Moss caught 61% of the passes thrown his way in 07. I don't know where this 4/10 comes from.

According to statisticians missing 4 out of 10 is the same as making 6 out of 10.

And while over 50% is great, 83.3% for Diggs is getting pretty darn close to 100%

Is the difference missing 2 out of 10 compared to 4 out of 10 for Moss a big difference? Some would say yes - Especially if the 60% guy accounted for nearly 1/3rd of all passing targets

Whereas Diggs is more like 1/5th the targets given that Maye spreads it around so well

I'm not faulting Maye for not targeting Diggs more. Brady targeted Moss more than 50% more often than Maye did Diggs.

But my point is that I don't think Diggs would maintain the 83.3% completion rate if he were targeted 160 times in the season.
And I don't think Maye's other receivers would have the 70% completion rate they have either for that matter.

To me, that's a better and stronger offense, especially when it matters most.

Diggs yards per reception is also 12 - not 8 - but indeed he's not the true deep threat for this team with Williams averaging 20 YPC and others sneaking deep to keep Ds honest. I'm not sure where Moss's "targeted" throw was but my guess is he might have some YAC in that 15 YPC.

 

[Patsfan1645]

Brady is all about Super Bowls. 10 appearances when next highest is Elway with 5. Mind boggling.

Was Brady more talented than Aaron Rodgers? No. Yet 2020 Rodgers season one of greatest in history and loses to Brady 31-26 in playoffs when both threw 3 TD's but Brady threw 3 picks to Rodgers 1. Did Brady win that over Rodgers or did Brady win because the team around him was that much better?

Brady did things after age 40 that nobody else has ever done.

This is why he will likely remain the GOAT for a very long time. So much goes into making Super Bowls that are outside the control of the QB.

Maye is more athletic than Brady, better deep ball thrower, more accurate overall. Brady is probably the greatest processor of all-time.

Maye vs Brady is same as Rodgers (4 MVP's) vs Brady (3 MVP's) as a comparison. Which is greatest comes down to Super Bowls, and hard to believe Brady is caught by anyone, ever.
Mahomes had a shot, but Chiefs are rebuilding, Reid will be gone soon, and his division is not a cake walk anymore. Brady had a cakewalk division for almost his entire career which led to byes and home playoff games. Can't underestimate that.

100 percent this. I will add one other thing that I don't think anyone can top Brady on and that's his determination to be better, he simply didnt have the god given physical talent that Maye has but he made up for it with his intellect and desire to prove people wrong and just win. When is was 3-28 if Brady mails it in they dont win but the dude is clutch as hell and has another gear that most dont have. If Drake Maye finds that deep down inside there is no limit to what he could do on a football field.

 

[Patsfan1645]

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[PatsFan2]

Brady is all about Super Bowls. 10 appearances when next highest is Elway with 5. Mind boggling.

Was Brady more talented than Aaron Rodgers? No. Yet 2020 Rodgers season one of greatest in history and loses to Brady 31-26 in playoffs when both threw 3 TD's but Brady threw 3 picks to Rodgers 1. Did Brady win that over Rodgers or did Brady win because the team around him was that much better?

Brady did things after age 40 that nobody else has ever done.

This is why he will likely remain the GOAT for a very long time. So much goes into making Super Bowls that are outside the control of the QB.

Maye is more athletic than Brady, better deep ball thrower, more accurate overall. Brady is probably the greatest processor of all-time.

Maye vs Brady is same as Rodgers (4 MVP's) vs Brady (3 MVP's) as a comparison. Which is greatest comes down to Super Bowls, and hard to believe Brady is caught by anyone, ever.
Mahomes had a shot, but Chiefs are rebuilding, Reid will be gone soon, and his division is not a cake walk anymore. Brady had a cakewalk division for almost his entire career which led to byes and home playoff games. Can't underestimate that.

100% for years our Division Opponents were called the AFC-Least. The Stars were aligned for Tom Brady throughout his GOAT Career.

 

[fnordcircle]

Game on the line, #1 seed on the line, we have the ball and plenty of time and can't manage to beat the Bills at home in December.

I love Drake, truly, but in that moment Tom would have willed us to victory.

 

[PatsFan2]

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Drake "Drake Maye" Maye.

 

[Steve102]

Drake Maye Maye.

It's Drake "Drake Maye" Maye.

You'd think you'd know the nickname of the possible MVP and the QB who makes sure the WRs you idolize get the ball, your worshipfulness.

 

[PatsFan2]

It's Drake "Drake Maye" Maye.

You'd think you'd know the nickname of the possible MVP and the QB who makes sure the WRs you idolize get the ball, your worshipfulness.

Well nobody's perfect.

 

[Patsfan1645]

Well nobody's perfect.

Drake Maye is...... or just closer than everyone else

 

[PatsFan2]

It's Drake "Drake Maye" Maye.

You'd think you'd know the nickname of the possible MVP and the QB who makes sure the WRs you idolize get the ball, your worshipfulness.

I gotta memorize that: Drake "Drake Maye" Maye.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Brady spread the ball around better than anyone in the NFL. Perhaps JSP is referring to late career Brady freezing out guys instead of working with the younger, less clued in WRs. Guys needed to go where they were supposed to go, and if they didn't, he wouldn't throw them the ball. Brady admits this post career. The late dynasty Brady led an offense that was laser focused and professional as any the NFL has seen. If guys did what they were supposed to do, he got them the ball.

Tom was being kind. No WRs who sucked here had more success somewhere else

 

[maust]

Well nobody's perfect.

Just can't see that line and not think of the end of 'Some Like It Hot'

 

[RobertWeathers]

According to statisticians missing 4 out of 10 is the same as making 6 out of 10.

And while over 50% is great, 83.3% for Diggs is getting pretty darn close to 100%

Is the difference missing 2 out of 10 compared to 4 out of 10 for Moss a big difference? Some would say yes - Especially if the 60% guy accounted for nearly 1/3rd of all passing targets

Whereas Diggs is more like 1/5th the targets given that Maye spreads it around so well

I'm not faulting Maye for not targeting Diggs more. Brady targeted Moss more than 50% more often than Maye did Diggs.

But my point is that I don't think Diggs would maintain the 83.3% completion rate if he were targeted 160 times in the season.
And I don't think Maye's other receivers would have the 70% completion rate they have either for that matter.

To me, that's a better and stronger offense, especially when it matters most.

Diggs yards per reception is also 12 - not 8 - but indeed he's not the true deep threat for this team with Williams averaging 20 YPC and others sneaking deep to keep Ds honest. I'm not sure where Moss's "targeted" throw was but my guess is he might have some YAC in that 15 YPC.

Diggs depth of target is 8.6. Not the same as 12 yards per catch.

Diggs is a lot closer to Jules than Moss.

 

[stcjones]

Okay I mean it pretty much is too soon since Tom Brady had 20 seasons of excellence while Maye hasn't even played a playoff game

But its still fun to compare Maye's 2025 season vs the top seasons Brady had in his career.

Completion %: 72 vs 68.9(2007) best for Brady
Yards/attempt: 8.9 vs 8.6(2011) best for Brady
QB rating: 113.5 better than all but 2007 for Brady
QBR: 77.2 better than all but 2007, 2010, 2016, 2014(tied) for Brady

Also adds 450 yards rushing, which goes without saying, is way more than Brady ever had. And he is doing this in his age 23 season when Tom wasn't riding the pine.

So in short Maye's 2025 regular season compares favorably with pretty much any of Brady's despite not having elite weapons.

Excited to see where this goes in the future!

Yeah way too early and a bit disrespectful……no offense!

 

[mike_usagisan]

Yes.

It is too soon.

 

[Water Boy]

You obviously can't compare careers but skill sets...

 

[Ring 6]

I don't think I'm alone in noticing how many guys got in Brady's dog house and thus stopped being an option for him,

Even in the historic 2007 season, over time Brady came to really just rely on two WRs into the playoffs who certainly had some big catches but were getting nearly ALL the targets, creating a potent but extremely predictable offense.

Take Moss for example with 98 catches on a whopping 160 targets.

Diggs on the other hand only 85 catches - but on only 102 targets.

I'm not faulting Moss. He and Welker carried nearly the entire offense and while Moss missed 4 out of 10 passes coming his way, he did that amid double and triple teams because there was no question that the ball was going to him or Welker on nearly every important throw.

We had the confidence that when a key catch was needed you could count on a slightly better than 50/50 chance that Moss would catch it.

Maye is different. He doesn't try to force it to a few preferred WRs. He chooses the open receiver - which is often a surprise to us and the D - hence his incredibly efficient completion rate. And bear in mind most of Maye's aren't low risk short passes like a lot of the ones Welker would pull in - I think he leads the NFL in the long ball.

The bottom line is while Moss caught barely over half his targets, Diggs pulls in a WHOPPING 83% of the passes thrown his way, in part because Maye keeps Ds honest by spreading the field.

In other words, with Maye and a much less stellar WR corp than Brady had, with the game on the line you've got guys like Diggs who you could count on to haul it in MORE than 8 out of 10 times that passes were thrown his way.

Ask any statistician who they want when you need ONE key catch, and they will take Diggs 83% over Moss's 60% every time

I guess my point is, that if Brady had Maye's inclination to spread the ball more, with Maye's efficiency (achieved in part BECAUSE he spreads the ball), then 2007 truly would have been the perfect season.

Wow. Tell me you don’t understand football without telling me you don’t understand football.

Do you really think that Moss and Diggs ran the same routes? Do you not realize that deeper throws are a lower percentage?
Mostly, do you not realize that choosing the targets Brady chose resulted in the best offense in NFL history. You wanted him to check down for a higher % instead if throwing to the guy who broke the TD record.

Statistics are a dangerous thing.