Too soon? Drake Maye vs Tom Brady

[farn]

If Drake wins 1/2 the SBs Tom did, he’d be a resounding success !

 

[TheRainMaker]

Drake needs to A. win a playoff game and B. stack back to back seasons together. Media and fans have had a bad habit recently of crowning players prematurely.

This board was obsessed with McConkey and now I've seen the question being asked "what happened"? The media anointed Jayden Daniels as one of the best QB's in the league after his rookie year yet struggled going 2-5 before being shut down with an injury.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Wow. Tell me you don’t understand football without telling me you don’t understand football.

Do you really think that Moss and Diggs ran the same routes? Do you not realize that deeper throws are a lower percentage?
Mostly, do you not realize that choosing the targets Brady chose resulted in the best offense in NFL history. You wanted him to check down for a higher % instead if throwing to the guy who broke the TD record.

Statistics are a dangerous thing.

Um - Moss has 3 ypc more than Diggs

He nearly equaled Moss' total catches - but didn't need 1/3rd of the targets and didn't miss nearly half of them compared to Diggs snagging 8 out of 10.

That's the difference between Maye and Brady in terms of accuracy and spreading the field in a nutshell at this point

 

[Ring 6]

Um - Moss has 3 ypc more than Diggs

Yeah almost 500 more yards. 1 1/2 x Diggs barely equals Moss.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Yeah almost 500 more yards. 1 1/2 x Diggs barely equals Moss.

Yeah

You can't compare a WR who has 12 ypc to one that gets 13 ypc

Or one who has 13 ypc to one that gets 14 ypc - let alone compare a 12 ypc WR with one who gets 15 ypc

That's just crazy - they are competely different positions

 

[Ring 6]

Um - Moss has 3 ypc more than Diggs

He nearly equaled Moss' total catches - but didn't need 1/3rd of the targets and didn't miss nearly half of them compared to Diggs snagging 8 out of 10.

That's the difference between Maye and Brady in terms of accuracy and spreading the field in a nutshell at this point

And Welker had 145 targets and 112 catches.

You are comparing the short throw guy to the deep threat.

Brady used Welker to out produce Diggs AND ALSO had another guy get 1500 yards and 23 TDs.

You seem ti be a dink who likes to dunk.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah

You can't compare a WR who has 12 ypc to one that gets 13 ypc

Or one who has 13 ypc to one that gets 14 ypc - let alone compare a 12 ypc WR with one who gets 15 ypc

That's just crazy

Can you say that in English?

 

[JoeSixPat]

Can you say that in English?

The question is can you?

You say you can't compare WRs - certainly not two different #1 WRs like Diggs and Moss

They play two completely different positions, or so you say

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah

You can't compare a WR who has 12 ypc to one that gets 13 ypc

Or one who has 13 ypc to one that gets 14 ypc - let alone compare a 12 ypc WR with one who gets 15 ypc

That's just crazy - they are competely different positions

You do understand that moss didn’t catch 61% of each different length of pass right?
You do understand that a much higher proportion of the incomplete were deep balls right?

Look at it this way. 60 more targets resulted in 500 yards and 20 touchdowns compared to using him like Diggs.

 

[JoeSixPat]

And Welker had 145 targets and 112 catches.

You are comparing the short throw guy to the deep threat.

Brady used Welker to out produce Diggs AND ALSO had another guy get 1500 yards and 23 TDs.

You seem ti be a dink who likes to dunk.

Didn't you just establish that a short route WR like Welker can't be compared to someone like Diggs or Moss?

 

[Ring 6]

The question is can you?

You say you can't compare WRs - certainly not two different #1 WRs like Diggs and Moss

They play two completely different positions, or so you say

When did I say that?
Are you having an imagination episode?

 

[Ring 6]

Didn't you just establish that a short route WR like Welker can't be compared to someone like Diggs or Moss?

When did I say that? Btw Diggs IS a short route receivers.

 

[XLIX]

Why is there always one idiot?

 

[Nehalem]

Tom was being kind. No WRs who sucked here had more success somewhere else

Jakobi Meyers (2019)

Though to be fair that could be a Belichick thing and not Brady.

 

[Guts]

Brady is all about Super Bowls. 10 appearances when next highest is Elway with 5. Mind boggling.

Was Brady more talented than Aaron Rodgers? No. Yet 2020 Rodgers season one of greatest in history and loses to Brady 31-26 in playoffs when both threw 3 TD's but Brady threw 3 picks to Rodgers 1. Did Brady win that over Rodgers or did Brady win because the team around him was that much better?

Brady did things after age 40 that nobody else has ever done.

This is why he will likely remain the GOAT for a very long time. So much goes into making Super Bowls that are outside the control of the QB.

Maye is more athletic than Brady, better deep ball thrower, more accurate overall. Brady is probably the greatest processor of all-time.

Maye vs Brady is same as Rodgers (4 MVP's) vs Brady (3 MVP's) as a comparison. Which is greatest comes down to Super Bowls, and hard to believe Brady is caught by anyone, ever.
Mahomes had a shot, but Chiefs are rebuilding, Reid will be gone soon, and his division is not a cake walk anymore. Brady had a cakewalk division for almost his entire career which led to byes and home playoff games. Can't underestimate that.

The cakewalk comment would make sense if Brady didnt have a better winning pct outside the division lol

If Drake wins 1/2 the SBs Tom did, he’d be a resounding success !

He only needs to win 1 and itll be a success
Half that Tom got would be iconic
Getting to 5 would put him in top 3 of all time
Think how crazy it is 6 superbowls that Brady/Pats won

 

[Wax Frog]

 

[PP2]

Thank God for thread ignore.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brady spread the ball around better than anyone in the NFL. Perhaps JSP is referring to late career Brady freezing out guys instead of working with the younger, less clued in WRs. Guys needed to go where they were supposed to go, and if they didn't, he wouldn't throw them the ball. Brady admits this post career. The late dynasty Brady led an offense that was laser focused and professional as any the NFL has seen. If guys did what they were supposed to do, he got them the ball.

Yep. He admitted this recently on podcasts. He said it got to a point he'd tell coaches (I'm guessing McDaniels) to not even waste their time putting certain players out on the field as he would ignore them. This was a theory we had observed for a while.

Tom was being kind. No WRs who sucked here had more success somewhere else

Jakobi Meyers (2019)

Though to be fair that could be a Belichick thing and not Brady.

Meyers is the lone example. While Meyers wasn't going to put the 2019 team over the top, you could see he was working hard, actually stepping foot on the field and making some plays when called upon. He was the anti N'Keal Harry where it was easy to dislike him after draft night. His lack of urgency his rookie year was preview of his work ethic.

 

[Steve102]

Jakobi Meyers (2019)

Though to be fair that could be a Belichick thing and not Brady.

I can't speak for @RobertWeathers, but I am guessing he meant guys who sucked here, not guys who just left and found success. Meyers had a tough rookie year when he was under Brady's *ahem* tutelage. However the other three years were pretty much par for the rest of his career. He was/is a decent, hard working WR that will probably get you 800ish yards receiving. He's not CeeDee Lamb, JSN, Chase or an AJ Brown type.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Year 2 Drake Maye>Year 2 (as actual starter) Tom Brady. Many are talking up Maye as if he can be an elite QB moving forward. Were there people saying that about Brady in January 2003?

With all due respect to Bledsoe, if Maye's career is similar to his, I think it would be dissapointing. So he has a chance to become the second greatest Patriots QB ever.

Career wise, Maye has zero chance of becoming a greater/better QB than Brady. Maye would even tell you that. The idea is ridiculous. There will never be another Tom Brady like QB again.