Pats @ Texans, all-22 rewatch thread

[luuked]

Bingo even if some call the analysts homers over pointing it out the simple fact. This is -- and has been the entire season -- about execution and not personnel.

 

[luuked]

I am not sure what was more infuriating when it happened the blatant hold on KVN that went uncalled (but got called on Cannon) or JJones completely miscalculating the trajectory of the pass and not breaking it up.

Can't give up a 30 yd bomb when you are in pretty good position to at least get a PBU.

That being said kudos to BoB for a good gameplan. Using BB's tendency of bracketing the #1 receiver against him. They did a nice job on designing mismatches and then exploiting them. Hopefully Collins will be healthy if we get a rematch. He is the only LB we have that might have a shot in coverage.

 

[Kontradiction]

Bingo even if some call the analysts homers over pointing it out the simple fact. This is -- and has been the entire season -- about execution and not personnel.

Those two are not mutually exclusive in this case. The personnel is having trouble executing because the personnel are rookies. They’re going through the expected growing pains. This is both a personnel and an execution issue.

 

[PP2]

 

[luuked]

Stuff like that -- even if it goes against our team this time -- is what makes me love this game. They not only copied stuff that the Ravens did but built upon it in anticipation that BB might have cleaned some of that up during the BYE.

The Texans had some good stuff on offense cooked up for this game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Chatham has been awesome about pointing out the holes in those "nobody is open narratives" for years now. Every time someone just think they can reduce issues down to one specific aspect it automatically makes their opinion highly suspect to me.

The issues on offense are a marriage of failures at various levels. Getting Wynn back and giving Brady more time just shrunk the vector of protection issues and puts the spotlight on other aspects.

That being said the LaCosse play in the first video is still pretty shocking to me.

Brady knows the offense, he understands the concept that is run, how the two routes affect each other and he somehow seems to anticipate Edelman being open. Everything fine so far. But when he looks at Jules he must surely realize the amount of DBs around Edelman but doesn't mentally put it together fast enough what it means for the route right below with LaCosse ? Come on.

My only explanation is that he is still in a mental hurry up mode expecting pressure at any moment. Because this was fundamentally pretty bad.

The more obvious explanation, particularly given that we're talking about the guy who is quite possibly the best in history when it comes to processing the game, is that you're wrong in your assertions.

 

[luuked]

The more obvious explanation, particularly given that we're talking about the guy who is quite possibly the best in history when it comes to processing the game, is that you're wrong in your assertions.

Of course. Throwing to Edelman who was screaming towards the sideline into a tight window with three defenders in his vicinity was clearly the superior choice than finding an wide open LaCosse below who was running the complimentary route on this concept.

Him being the best doesn't mean all his decisions are correct. It just means he makes substantially fewer mistakes than most other QBs. This was one of them.

 

[Deus Irae]

Of course. Throwing to Edelman who was screaming towards the sideline into a tight window with three defenders in his vicinity was clearly the superior choice than finding an wide open LaCosse below who was running the complimentary route on this concept.

Him being the best doesn't mean all his decisions are correct. It just means he makes substantially fewer mistakes than most other QBs. This was one of them.

I don't know why I have to keep dealing with this when it comes to you. I don't know if Brady dated your wife, or what it is. But let's try this again, adjusted specifically for your claim above.

1. Brady knows what he's doing, and you don't.
2. Brady can't trust LaCosse, but he can trust Edelman, AND WE SAW THAT IN THIS VERY GAME.
3. So arguing that Brady should be throwing to LaCosse, without knowing all the context (and you certainly don't know all the context), is asinine.

In other words, given the piss-poor play of most receiving options not named Edelman or White, *****ing because Brady gambles towards those two is ludicrous.

 

[luuked]

Lazar with the obvious.

 

[reflexblue]

Id say that's pretty accurate, its multiple issues all over the field. sometimes the receiver gets open but the offensive line doesn't hold their blocks. other times the o-line gives brady time but the receivers are covered, or aren't running the right routes. then there's the penalties.while watching the game last night the offense just sputtered, good for a few plays then the drive would die. I never had the feeling that the offense could get it together, and that goes for the play calling as well, they were running the ball then gave up on it and tried to throw, and it looked like the Texans new the play calls as well as the patriots.

 

[Deus Irae]

Lazar with the obvious.

Again with this.

Brady has always favored certain receivers. In times where the offense is struggling, he's often looked to his trusted guys. This year, there's no Gronk blanket. There's only the Edelman option. The TEs have demonstrated, time and again, that they can't be trusted. Edelman has demonstrated, time and again, the he can be trusted.

Therefore, in the absence of actually knowing the context, complaining because Brady chose Edelman/White over others is folly. That is the obvious, and what happened with Brady on the sidelines after yet another blown route by a receiver should have made that loud and clear to you.

That doesn't mean that Brady's never going to be wrong. That doesn't mean that Brady's never going to completely vapor lock. But, what it does mean is that you give Brady the benefit of the doubt on targets, unless you have actual information about the situation.

And, in the same vein, don't be surprised if Brady decides not to throw to Harry on plays where you think he's open, until he convinces the QB that he'll make the right damn play.

 

[condon84]

What the hell are you even talking about here? He made a point of saying the entire offense was an issue. That’s correct. That includes Brady. What exactly would Brady be doing that’s an issue if not missing on throws? Did he neglect an opportunity to tuck the ball and run? Was he supposed to get out and block on running plays? Of course not. He missed on throws. That’s what Chatham is saying re: Brady. If you have any other ideas for what Brady would have done wrong in this game, as an immobile pocket passer, please do share them.

You're missing the whole point of what Chatham was saying.

He simply elaborated on the issues of the offense and not simply go on the lazy narrative that "receivers can't get open".

Brady, the OL, the timing of the plays etc.

 

[Kontradiction]

You're missing the whole point of what Chatham was saying.

He simply elaborated on the issues of the offense and not simply go on the lazy narrative that "receivers can't get open".

Brady, the OL, the timing of the plays etc.

I’m not missing anything at all. #1 Patriots Fan Chatham said essentially what I attributed to him in my opening post on this back and forth...

Chatham is basically making the grand observation that Brady missed on some throws, as he’s done in every game throughout his career, while saying that people had trouble getting open too.

 

[Deus Irae]

I’m not missing anything at all. #1 Patriots Fan Chatham said essentially what I attributed to him in my opening post on this back and forth...

Chatham is basically making the grand observation that Brady missed on some throws, as he’s done in every game throughout his career, while saying that people had trouble getting open too.

All QBs miss throws. All QBs "miss" seeing open receivers (for reasons that are the QBs fault, and for reasons that aren't). All QBs make boneheaded decisions.None of that is new. None of that is going to change in the immediate future.

But this board is at the point, and has been for a couple of years, where every Brady incompletion is a referendum on whether or not he's declining, and it's ridiculous. Nobody should have to defend Brady choosing to target a more covered Edelman over a less covered Michel/LaCosse/Harry/Meyers/Dorsett/etc..., or Brady choosing to throw the ball into the ground, or Brady killing plays at the line and letting the clock run out, because the likely reasons for it have made themselves obvious, yet that's the point we're now at.

 

[condon84]

I’m not missing anything at all. #1 Patriots Fan Chatham said essentially what I attributed to him in my opening post on this back and forth...

Chatham is basically making the grand observation that Brady missed on some throws, as he’s done in every game throughout his career, while saying that people had trouble getting open too.

I don't feel like spamming this thread and go back and forth, but that's an interesting interpretation of his tweet where he specifically mentions and disputes the "narrative" of what's ailing this particular offense.

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't feel like spamming this thread and go back and forth, but that's an interesting interpretation of his tweet where he specifically mentions and disputes the "narrative" of what's ailing this particular offense.

I listened to it. The fact stands that Brady had multiple occasions last night, and in recent weeks, where he had 5+ seconds in the pocket and had to throw it away. That’s a separation issue. There could be a number of reasons for it but that’s what it is. These are rookies. They’re playing in the EP. They’ll have trouble getting off the press, running the right routes, and being on the same page. Chatham’s problem in his analysis is that he wears his fan hat first. That comes through here, too.

 

[notex]

does anyone actually have "all 22" film? so hard to see what is going on on each plan with TV version.. I honestly don't have the time to watch the whole game in slow motion play-by-play but I'd be very interested to hear other's analysis that have watched the actual film

 

[rochrist]

Seem like Meyers was open on that play...Gordon was very clutch on those Slants oh well. That was bad read and throw by Brady not one of his better passing nights.

Meyers wasn't remotely open.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Lazar with the obvious.

Yup.

 

[SVN]