Mary Cabot: The Browns will not give up their number one pick or multiple first rounders for Jimmy

[sportnik]

I can name at least five QBs under 30 who are much better than JG and who I'd take on my team right now over him. Maybe more if I think about it.

JG is a perfect fit for the Pats offense. He has a lightning quick delivery, excellent accuracy and the ability to make quick decisions. He is well liked by his teammates and will be a great leader. You may like 10 QBs better, but I bet BB wouldn't trade him for any of them.

There is a reason the Pats won't trade JG. He's going to be the starter here within a couple years & BB has never been wrong on one of these big decisions.

 

[The Gr8est]

They should take a 1st and a 4th for Garoppolo. Not only is that more than fair fair, but it is poetic justice since those were the picks stolen from us by the sham of a league front office.

And then the Pats could keep the New Orleans pick since the Browns' pick would be the new lowest 4th rounder....

 

[Peachhead]

#12, a 2017 2nd and two 2nds in 2018 would make me quite happy. Tbh, I don't want #1 overall. They rarely live up to the hype..

 

[Kdo5]

The Browns would have to be absolutely moronic to trade #1 overall for JG. If I was them I'd part with #12 and two early/mid round picks at most.

 

[sb1]

JG is a perfect fit for the Pats offense. He has a lightning quick delivery, excellent accuracy and the ability to make quick decisions. He is well liked by his teammates and will be a great leader. You may like 10 QBs better, but I bet BB wouldn't trade him for any of them.

There is a reason the Pats won't trade JG. He's going to be the starter here within a couple years & BB has never been wrong on one of these big decisions.

That's different than saying "JG is as good as any under 30 QB in the league". That is just not anywhere close to true, and I'm not convinced that BB would not trade JG for any of them either.

I agree that he's never been wrong on a big decision like that, but we still don't know what that decision is regarding JG. We will see.

 

[GodBrady]

The Tweet lost all credibility when the source said, "I'm told the Patriots would want the #1 overall pick, and a first-rounder next year." There is no way in blazing hell that's what the Patriots are demanding. That draft "demand" is so over the top that it sounds like something that originated from a fan forum, where posters ALWAYS overvalue their own players and overestimate what draft haul they will return.

 

[GodBrady]

The Browns would have to be absolutely moronic to trade #1 overall for JG. If I was them I'd part with #12 and two early/mid round picks at most.

I wholeheartedly agree. And on top of this, there's zero chance the Patriots are demanding the #1 overall pick, because both teams know that there's no chance in hell of that happening.

Also, in light of the recent moves the Browns have been making (e.g. getting a 2nd for Brock; trying to flop Brock for a 3rd, etc) it does indeed seem they are positioning themselves to make a strong offer that includes a lot of mid-round picks, without having to touch their extremely value picks.

 

[fnordcircle]

They were really gave quite the performance.

YOU WILL CALL JULIAN!

 

[Ring 6]

If Jimmy walks in Free Agency, the Pats will still receive a 3rd round compensatory pick

May. There is no guarantee.

 

[patfanken]

Just another example of the mediots manipulating the fans into pointless discussions about a NON-story. When will we ever learn.

At no time over the months this has been a discussion was there EVERY a thought the the Browns would give us the #1 pick in any package for JG, unless the topic was "Name your most implausable dream". Yet a simple tweet that just states the obvious and within a few minutes this thread errupts into something 6 pages long..

But a few comments on the comments:

1. Here's the main reason for trading Brady. Come this time next year, unless Brady retires, JG is NOT going to be a member of the Pats. THAT is the inevidable truth. Nothing short of Brady's very unlikely retirement is going to stop it.

Any fans thinking the the Pats are going to franchise him, or he'll sign some extension here or Brady will retire after this season, are the same fans who think the Browns are going to give up the #1 pick for JG.

If you think that keeping JG as a quality back up for this year's superbowl run is worth giving up a #1 pick plus package of lesser picks, I may strongly disagree, but I respect your right to have this opinion. On a very narrow plane, it makes short term sense. To you it is worth it to give up the 12th, an at least a pick in the 30's to have comfort in your back up, and a pick around 100 in next year's draft.

2. I think those who think Cleveland won't take a shot at JG because he only has 5 quarters of tape are wrong. EVERY player who doesn't have several YEARS of quality play is a risk, let alone some draft pick. Kapernick led his team to the superbow and the NFCCG in his 2nd and 3rd years. What's his career like now. RGIII was the NFL rookie of the year the same year Luck came out. That's another QB looking for a job

So it REALLY doesn't matter whether the sample is 5 quarters or 16+ games, it's STILL a risk. You simply have to try and mitigate that risk as much as possible and have the patience to see it through.

So here are the facta; There is no other QB on the market or in the draft who is LESS of a risk with the upside of JG.. Would he be worth the #12 pick, the Browns lower 2nd round pick a something next year. You bet. Would that be enough to get BB to do it. You bet, unless he knows something about Brady's future that we don't.

Everyone is a risk. Just as there are players who make a leap in their 2nd years, there are some who take a dip. The more a play performs at a high level doesn't END the risk, it just mitigates it.

The first day of the draft is 4/27 IIRC, so sometime between now and 4/28 we will know the answer to the question that will launch more threads between now and that date than any other single topic.

See you all on the next one. I'll be the guy repeting the same thing I been saying for a few months now....and so, most likely, so will you.





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[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I suspect Mary Kay Cabot's source is a Magic Eight ball. Throughout her reports, she drops the fact that the Patriots and Browns haven't talked about a deal, yet she somehow knows the asking price. Wtf. I will stick with Schefter, who was absolutely adamanent that Garropollo will remain a Patriot this season. I bet they'll restore a first or second round pick by trading Butler and, if Brady continues destroying the world, trade Garoppollo in the 2017 offseason, which makes way more sense.

Basically the Browns would need to pay a huge extra amount if they want Garoppollo in 2016, which forces the Patriots to move on sooner than they'd like, while the Browns would get Garoppollo for a cheap one-year tryout deal. Let's remember that Sam Bradford netted a first round pick, and that was addition to needing to pay a huge amount of money to the player.

 

[ohiopatsfan]

Mary Kay Cabot is generally considered a good source of info on the Browns out here in Ohio. That being said, I feel that a Garoppolo trade to Cleveland will happen some time before day 1 of the draft. My feeling is the Browns will trade their second choice in the first round (#12), their second choice in the second round (#53) and maybe a mid-round choice in 2018.

 

[pwes]

So if Bill doesn't take what YOU think is fair, then he hasn't come to his senses?

And your expertise is based on what exactly?

That was not the point of my post at all. My point was asking for 2 first rounders plus #1 overall is outlandish and never going to happen. If that is what Bill is waiting for then he's going to keep waiting. When I said come to his senses I mean taking something reasonable for Jimmy as opposed to nothing and losing him next year for even less than what he could have gotten this year. I obviously don't know what the Browns are offering but if reports that they have offered #12 and additional high picks are to be believed then yes I do think that is fair compensation for a backup QB who played 1.5 games and will be gone next year anyway. I'm just speculating as everyone else in this thread is doing.

 

[Huckleberry1]

JG is a perfect fit for the Pats offense. He has a lightning quick delivery, excellent accuracy and the ability to make quick decisions. He is well liked by his teammates and will be a great leader. You may like 10 QBs better, but I bet BB wouldn't trade him for any of them.

There is a reason the Pats won't trade JG. He's going to be the starter here within a couple years & BB has never been wrong on one of these big decisions.

Good to see you are now making Belichick's decisions for him.

 

[neali]

Ray Lewis killed a guy.

 

[sb1]

If the Browns even think of trading the #1 overall pick for JG - then its a guarantee that whoever was in charge of that move will be told that his or her services with the Cleveland Browns football club are no longer required.

 

[GodBrady]

Just another example of the mediots manipulating the fans into pointless discussions about a NON-story. When will we ever learn.

At no time over the months this has been a discussion was there EVERY a thought the the Browns would give us the #1 pick in any package for JG, unless the topic was "Name your most implausable dream". Yet a simple tweet that just states the obvious and within a few minutes this thread errupts into something 6 pages long..

I agree with everything you said, but to be fair, if you read the two paragraphs above the embedded tweet (I missed this the first couple times I read it), it clearly says, "I've been told New England ... would want the Browns' No. 1 pick and more -- as much as a first-roundre next year." That quote is (presumably) from Mary Kay Cabot.

So, the tweet is just more than "the Pats won't give up the No. 1 pick" (that's obvious) -- the preceding texts claims that's what the Pats are demanding.

Anyway, I do agree that this is nonsense and probably a complete fabrication to generate news.

 

[zipster9]

JG is a perfect fit for the Pats offense. He has a lightning quick delivery, excellent accuracy and the ability to make quick decisions. He is well liked by his teammates and will be a great leader. You may like 10 QBs better, but I bet BB wouldn't trade him for any of them.

There is a reason the Pats won't trade JG. He's going to be the starter here within a couple years & BB has never been wrong on one of these big decisions.

I agree. Only thing jimmy needs is the FIRE that tommy has. Aka, motivate teammates and show leadership...

Brissett has a slow delivery which seems a concern. IMO.

 

[jmt57]

One thing I do not understand is why the potential trade of Garoppolo is focused on only one team. Yes the Browns have loads of draft picks, but that does not make them the only potential trading partner. The Niners and Texans are in just as much need of a starting QB.

SF has the #2 pick in each of the first four rounds (#2, 34, 66 & 109 overall), a 4th round comp (143) plus five late picks. Right now their QB depth chart consists of Brian Hoyer and Matt Barkley.

Houston doesn't have as many quality picks to offer but they don't have the need to fill in as many holes as the Browns or Niners do either. The Texans own one pick in each round: #25, 57, 89, 131, 169, 188 and 243. Houston could easily sweeten the pot by adding a player, as well as future draft picks. Currently the Texans only have Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden at QB.

One other possibility is the Jets. While it seems extremely unlikely that Belichick would want to deal with them, don't forget that he did trade Drew Bledsoe within the division. If the two sides were able to communicate with each other - perhaps with Nick Caserio taking the lead - perhaps a deal could be made with Gang Green. With Geno Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick both free agents, the Jet depth chart at QB consists of Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg and Jason Vander Laan. The Jets own four picks in the first three rounds (#6, 39, 70 and 107), and one in each of the last three (5.150, 6.191 and 7.224). They clearly have the need; the question is whether one or both sides would refuse to consider a trade.



I know teams covet their draft picks, but the reality is that the draft is a crap shoot. If the scarcity of quarterbacks causes the market for a Mike Glennon to be paid $15 million per year with $19 million guaranteed, then Cleveland should not be the only team interested in Jimmy Garoppolo; these three other teams should be calling Gillette Stadium to play Let's Make A Deal as well.

 

[stinkypete]

Is an extension this offseason not an option?

Jimmy G is on the books for about $1 million in 2017. Suppose he signs long term in 2018 for cap charges of $18 million that slowly grow into the low 20's after a few seasons. That amounts to 3yr/37-40 million.

The Patriots are sitting on tons of cap room. They can resign Hightower and bring in a RB and will assentially be out of roster spots to improve. Why not frontload some of this 2017 money to be sure the succession plan stays put?