Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

[supafly]

He has to be cut if you don't want him and he won't agree to the trade. No team will trade for him if he doesn't agree.

You are comparing romo to Brady?

And the cowboys were releasing him. Houston didn't want to pay him and/or he just didn't want to play. But good example for my case Dallas was not able to trade him without his consent.

Reportedly, he chose to retire because DAL owned the rights to him and controlled where he'd go, which is the exact same situation Brady would be in if they couldn't agree on a destination.

Again, Tom Brady isn't getting cut, and it's highly unlikely that Belichick would choose to trade him to a conference rival. It's also highly unlikely that Brady would want to play for a conference rival.

 

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Reportedly, he chose to retire because DAL owned the rights to him and controlled where he'd go, which is the exact same situation Brady would be in if they couldn't agree on a destination.

Again, Tom Brady isn't getting cut, and it's highly unlikely that Belichick would choose to trade him to a conference rival. It's also highly unlikely that Brady would want to play for a conference rival.

Dallas publicly stated they were going to release him.

If the day comes that Brady wants to keep playing and belichick tells him to F off, he either trades him to his destination of choice or releases him.
Brady will go wherever he feels gives him the best chance to win a title which is most likely a division rival.
To say he will go to a worse choice for him to give the team that fired him a better chance to win is out of touch with reality.

I can't believe we are even having a discussion that player would get fired then make the top priority of his future to be making things easy for the team that fired him. I honestly cannot think of a single reason he would do that.

 

[supafly]

I can't believe we are even having a discussion that player would get fired then make the top priority of his future to be making things easy for the team that fired him. I honestly cannot think of a single reason he would do that.

I can't believe that you've baited people into responding to a hypothetical scenario where the New England Patriots control the rights of Tom Brady throughout the spring of 2020, but here we are.

If you think Belichick would trade him to a competitive conference rival, more power to you. That isn't going to happen, and I highly doubt either party would really want that, anyway. It's much more likely that he'd either retire or they'd come to an agreement with a handful of teams remaining off of the list.

 

[supafly]

And once again, any loyalty to Bernie Kosar is simply because he was local to the area, had taken them to 3 AFCCG's, and a brand new unproven head coach was coming in and making a tough, unpopular decision.

There was no future franchise QB waiting in the wings, nor was there the proven track record of the greatest coach in the history of the game. That's the difference, here.

 

[Ring 6]

I can't believe that you've baited people into responding to a hypothetical scenario where the New England Patriots control the rights of Tom Brady throughout the spring of 2020, but here we are.

Baited? You are joking right?

If you think Belichick would trade him to a competitive conference rival, more power to you.

Well since he would have list his mind if he is getting rid of him who knows what he will do but I never said he would willingly do that. He would do it if that is where Brady says he will accept trade to because that would be the only place he CAN trade him or he would cut him.

That isn't going to happen, and I highly doubt either party would really want that, anyway. It's much more likely that he'd either retire or they'd come to an agreement with a handful of teams remaining off of the list.

What in the world would motivate Brady to be told where to go when he can control it. And why would he come to an agreement to help the guy who is telling him he is taking his job away after all he has done.
You keep ignoring that Brady isn't going to thank BB for taking his job from him.

 

[supafly]

You keep ignoring that Brady isn't going to thank BB for taking his job from him.

After all of this time and having a positive working relationship together, I'd find it very hard to believe that Tom Brady is suddenly going to play the role of villain because they went in a different direction when he was in his 40s. C'mon.

Again--you buy into this silly "revenge" idea where the most beloved sports hero in the history of the area (surely, one of the most) is going to screw everyone over after a successful run of 5x championships and a great relationship with everyone in the area.

 

[SalemPats]

I've watched this week as many posters on this board have essentially said they would be fine with getting rid of Brady to keep Garoppolo while others are basically requesting him to retire and get out of JAGs way.

When belichick benched and cut Kosar, who had nothing left, Browns fans wanted to lynch him.

How can it be that less than 4 months after Brady played the greatest SB ever by a QB (after being the best QB in the NFL all season) to win his record 5th SB fans are almost asking Belichick to dump him?

Anyone ready to dump Brady is not from Boston and not a Patriots fan, just trolls

 

[Love The Drake]

Anyone ready to dump Brady is not from Boston and not a Patriots fan, just trolls

Nobody is saying dump him What I'm saying is if he regresses you have no choice but to move on.

 

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After all of this time and having a positive working relationship together, I'd find it very hard to believe that Tom Brady is suddenly going to play the role of villain because they went in a different direction when he was in his 40s. C'mon.

'Villain? What are you talking about.
Do you seriously think that if Brady pursued what was best for him that makes him a villain? Do you believe after being fired his top priority should be what's best for the patriots?
That he should strive to make the patriots happy instead of winning and doing what is best for him? Should he throw the game if he faces them?

Again--you buy into this silly "revenge" idea where the most beloved sports hero in the history of the area (surely, one of the most) is going to screw everyone over after a successful run of 5x championships and a great relationship with everyone in the area.

Wtf are you talking about?
He would be the one screwed over if his job is taken away. HE is the reason fur all of that success.
How in the world is going to wherever he thinks he has the best chance to win screwing everyone?

It seems you think if he gets fired and has 2 choices, one with a strong contender and the other with a terrible team he should go to the terrible team because he owes it to the patriots to not try to win at their expense.
Please tell me that is not what you think. Because it is bizarre.

 

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Nobody is saying dump him What I'm saying is if he regresses you have no choice but to move on.

He hasn't regressed. He won't regress before it's time for jimmy to leave.
People are saying let him go even if he is playing at his current level because of you keep him you can't keep jimmy and jimmy is worth more. No **** people are seriuously arguing that.

 

[pazrul72]

He hadn't regressed. He won't regress before it's time for jimmy to leave.
People are saying let him go even if he is playing at his current level because of you keep him you can't keep jimmy and jimmy is worth more. No **** people are aeriuously arguing that.

************ Andy NOBODY is arguing that for 2017. They are asking if that will still be true in 2018, 2019, or 2020 and at some point the answer will be yes Jimmy is the better QB. You think that will be 2022 and that's fine you are entitled to your opinion but you seriously need to stop treating people who have a different opinion like they are complete freakin idiots cuz they aren't. Based on the pressure from his wife and the fact that no QB has ever played at a high level older then 41 it's not an unreasonable opinion to have that 2018 might be Brady's last year. Just acknowledge that and say I feel differently because Brady has stated over and over again he wants to play to 45. You put more weight on that. I put more weight on Grop not being traded, Schefters report (anyone else and I mean literally anyone I would poo poo that as click baiting garbage but he clearly has sources that are high up in the organization) and Giselles comments. Who's right? We'll find out in March but right now the *********** beating the dead horse has gotten really old.

 

[supafly]

It seems you think if he gets fired and has 2 choices, one with a strong contender and the other with a terrible team he should go to the terrible team because he owes it to the patriots to not try to win at their expense.

In order for him to go to "a strong contender" Bill Belichick and Bob Kraft would have to sign off on that via a trade--which has almost zero chance of happening. Why the hell would he be traded to a contending rival? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

That's been my point the entire time. Apparently, you feel as though Belichick has lost his mind and will somehow consider trading Brady to a rival team. Just as bad, you also think Brady would want to play for a rival team. There's little chance of BOTH of these things happening, so it's completely pointless to continue going around in circles with you on this particular subject.

And no matter what you say, Belichick isn't going to pass up a nice draft pick to make Tom Brady an outright cut.

 

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In order for him to go to "a strong contender" Bill Belichick and Bob Kraft would have to sign off on that via a trade--which has almost zero chance of happening. Why the hell would he be traded to a contending rival? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

That's been my point the entire time. Apparently, you feel as though Belichick has lost his mind and will somehow consider trading Brady to a rival team. Just as bad, you also think Brady would want to play for a rival team. There's little chance of BOTH of these things happening, so it's completely pointless to continue going around in circles with you on this particular subject.

And no matter what you say, Belichick isn't going to pass up a nice draft pick to make Tom Brady an outright cut.

You seem to be arguing with yourself.
If you actually read what you are responding to it makes a better discussion.

Brady has every ability to control where he goes.
Belichick decides after Brady won 6 SBs for him that he doesn't want him around any more because jimmy is going to be a free agent and he wants to keep him instead. Somehow youvthink Brady will hug him sing kumbaya and ask him where he should go okay that would be best for the patriots.

Belichick says I am trading you to the redskins.
Brady doesn't want to go to the redskins. Use your critical thinking skills and imagine what happens next.

Please explain how belichick trades Brady to a team he says he won't play for.

By process of elimination Brady chooses his destination. BB either trades him there or is forced to release him.

Now let's look at where Brady would go. What would his criteria be?
I say the best place to win.
You say he won't go anywhere that is a rival if the patriots which essentially means the teams competing for championships.

Your conclusion is tom Brady gets fired, then decides his future life has to be based on what is best for the team that fired him so he asks the guy who just disrespected him and kicked him in the nuts what can he do to make him happy and help him keep winning.

That just doesn't come close to reality.

 

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************ Andy NOBODY is arguing that for 2017.

Huh? Garoppolo as contract is up after this season. If Brady falls to pieces this year there is no discussion so clearly the discussion (as I have mentioned numerous times) is about what happens after this year if Brady plays like Brady.

However tanguay had said there is a WB controversy and Curran literally said Brady has to play well enough THIS YEAR to keep his job. That's wgatvus out there.

They are asking if that will still be true in 2018, 2019, or 2020 and at some point the answer will be yes Jimmy is the better QB.

Jimmy isn't under contract after 2017. That's the point. If there is a decision, which I still consider a complete nobrainer, it needs to be made in 9 months.
If Brady falls to pieces it's an easy decision
If Brady continues to play like Brady it is also an easy decision.

You think that will be 2022

When did I ever say that?
How could I possibly know that?
I am saying whole Brady is still Brady, he remains the QB of the Patriots and this shouldn't even be arguable.
The "opportunity cost" of not being able to keep one backup around long enough to be the replacement when the time comes is minuscule compared to the loss of dumping the best QB in the league who is the primary reason yourctram wins championships.

and that's fine you are entitled to your opinion but you seriously need to stop treating people who have a different opinion like they are complete freakin idiots cuz they aren't.

If me stating my opinion makes you feel like an idiot that's on you.
If I call you an idiot that's on me. I have not done that.

Based on the pressure from his wife

This discussion has nothing to do with retirement. It has to do with him wanting to keep playing. If he decides to retire there is no discussion.
Plus there is absolutely no evidence his wife is PRESSURING him to retire.

and the fact that no QB has ever played at a high level older then 41 it's not an unreasonable opinion to have that 2018 might be Brady's last year.

No QB has ever played at as high a level as Brady at any age, including 39. No QB has ever taken better care of themselves. No QB has ever done most of what Brady has done. This is the point. You have the greatest ever. You have the only player in the history of the game who can will his team to a championship. You have a guy who at 39 is still the best QB in the NFL and in many measure getting better.
Treating him like any other guy is silly.

Just acknowledge that and say I feel differently because Brady has stated over and over again he wants to play to 45.

How about I say what I think and you say what you think. I don't tell you what to say or what you think. Do the sane.

You put more weight on that. I put more weight on Grop not being traded, Schefters report (anyone else and I mean literally anyone I would poo poo that as click baiting garbage but he clearly has sources that are high up in the organization) and Giselles comments. Who's right? We'll find out in March but right now the *********** beating the dead horse has gotten really old.

Then stop posting about it. No one is forcing you to read or respond.
You have said what is on your mind and (incorrectly) tried to tell me what is in mind. There should be nothing more for you to say on the matter if you find it is "a dead horse being beaten by a ***********"

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

After 25 pages, I've come to my conclusion:

 

[Ring 6]

After 25 pages, I've come to my conclusion:

That sums up many patriots fans apparent opinions about Brady.

 

[XLIX]

After all of this time and having a positive working relationship together, I'd find it very hard to believe that Tom Brady is suddenly going to play the role of villain because they went in a different direction when he was in his 40s. C'mon.

Again--you buy into this silly "revenge" idea where the most beloved sports hero in the history of the area (surely, one of the most) is going to screw everyone over after a successful run of 5x championships and a great relationship with everyone in the area.

If the Patriots let Brady go, how is it "screwing everyone over" if he decides he wants to keep playing, and chooses a legit contender to go to?

What's he supposed to do? Forfeit all games against New England?

 

[aluminum seats]

That sums up many patriots fans apparent opinions about Brady.

I, like everybody else on this board, think Brady is terrific. But you have such a wild schoolgirl crush thing going on here it's kind of bizarre.

 

[Ring 6]

I, like everybody else on this board, thanks Brady is terrific. But you have such a bizarre schoolgirl crush thing going on here it's kind of bizarre.

i just want the patriots to win championships.

 

[aluminum seats]

i just want the patriots to win championships.

Exactly. That's what everyone wants.