Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

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If it comes down to it, there are probably about 20+ teams in the NFL that wouldn't be considered conference rivals. Hell, there's the entire NFC.

My stance is simple: if the Pats decide to trade Brady in the next couple of years, he'd most likely retire. If you don't believe that, fine, but I'd have a hard time seeing him wanting to screw the fan base, NE area, and organization over by playing for the Denver Broncos.

If Brady wants to play for the Patriots but the Patriots cut him loose, they are the ones screwing over the fanbase, not Brady - no matter where he goes.

 

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He's not going to completely ruin his ties with the NE area and destroy his reputation. Just my opinion. Maybe I'm misreading things.

How does he ruin his ties in NE and destroy his reputation by trying to win somewhere else?
You seem to be suggesting his priority should be the success of the team that just told him to F off. So he would pass up an offer from say Denver who he thinks is a SB team to go play for Cleveland because what matters is the team that fired him being able to win without win? Really?
Why would he have any loyalty to the people who fired him?

A more important question though: why on earth would Bill Belichick ever consider trading him to a conference rival? No one seems to be able to answer that.

He wouldn't but this whole conversation is taking place in an alternate reality where he would lose his mind and want to trade Brady.
In that bizarro world Brady isn't going anywhere he doesn't want to and would end up getting released.

 

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Especially under the circumstances. His wife doesn't want him to play. They have enough money for 3-4 generations of wealth. He's already won more than any other player and is considered the greatest of all time.

Brady isn't playing for the money and no amount of winning is enough for him. He lives to complete. Why can people not understand that. once its over its over forever.

If NE decided to make a business decision in the best interest of the franchise with a 41-42 yr old QB (in our hypothetical scenario), I don't think Tom Brady is going to destroy his impeccable reputation in this area by playing for one of the conference rivals, and that's if he even decided to keep playing. At any rate, I think he finishes his career here.

It's not a business decision to Brady it's telling him he isn't good enough any more and he is fired.

 

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No reasonable discussion here. I'm out.

 

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No reasonable discussion here. I'm out.

People don't agree with you that if BB took tom Brady's job away from him he wouldn't care and that's not reasonable?
Ok

 

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He's not going to completely ruin his ties with the NE area and destroy his reputation. Just my opinion. Maybe I'm misreading things.

A more important question though: why on earth would Bill Belichick ever consider trading him to a conference rival? No one seems to be able to answer that.

genetic memory, Supa...BB did it with Bledose...lot of left over deep fears from that traumatic experience

 

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People don't agree with you that if BB took tom Brady's job away from him he wouldn't care and that's not reasonable?
Ok

My comment was about Bill Belichick refusing to trade him to a conference rival--which he obviously wouldn't.

If you two knuckleheads want to argue amongst each other, be my guest. The bottom line is that Belichick isn't trading him to the freaking Denver Broncos. He's under contract for the next 3 seasons. If the Patriots decide to let him walk when he's 43 years old and Tom holds a grudge and decides to "stick it to us," he's a freaking weirdo.

 

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genetic memory, Supa...BB did it with Bledose...lot of left over deep fears from that traumatic experience

I just think there's a big difference between Bledsoe and Brady, that's all.

To take it one step further, I still have some difficulty imagining Tom Terrific wanting to screw over the team by playing for a rival, but anything is possible, I suppose.

 

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My comment was about Bill Belichick refusing to trade him to a conference rival--which he obviously wouldn't.

If you two knuckleheads want to argue amongst each other, be my guest. The bottom line is that Belichick isn't trading him to the freaking Denver Broncos. He's under contract for the next 3 seasons. If the Patriots decide to let him walk when he's 43 years old and Tom holds a grudge and decides to "stick it to us," he's a freaking weirdo.

2 knuckleheads? That's what you got?

Not sure how you think that Brady shouldn't do what's best for himself. Do you really expect him to go to a bad team? Not sure how going to the best situation he can find is defined as "sticking it to us" but apparently you feel after he is fired his priority should be the patriots keep winning and his own success should be secondary.

 

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How the QB situation plays out is a cliffhanger. I am amused that some have concluded to what BB will do. Like he's given us indication........

 

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Brady isn't playing for the money and no amount of winning is enough for him. He lives to complete. Why can people not understand that. once its over its over forever.

This is something the "what else does he have to prove?" people will never understand.

If/when his abilities fade, that's one thing.... but Tom Brady has demonstrated - through both words and deeds - that he is not a man who will **ever** say "ok, that's enough championships for me, I don't want any more..."

 

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2 knuckleheads? That's what you got?

It was meant as a term of endearment.

 

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Not sure how you think that Brady shouldn't do what's best for himself.

He would do what's best for himself, which would either be the decision to retire or to play in one of the 20+ cities where Belichick would want to send him.

He. Is. Under. Contract. For. The. Next. Three. Seasons.

He may have a say in the matter, but that doesn't mean that Bill Belichick is going to send him to Denver, which is how I got roped into this discussion to begin with.

 

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He would do what's best for himself, which would either be the decision to retire or to play in one of the 20+ cities where Belichick would want to send him.

Why would what's best for belichick be what's best for him. What if he beats Denver in the afccg because they don't have a QB. Then BB says see ya later I'd rather have jimmy and Denver wants Brady?
Are you saying he should t want to go there to win and instead shoikd let BB decide where he goes? Why?

He. Is. Under. Contract. For. The. Next. Three. Seasons.

People on this board are saying it will happen next year because we gotta keep jimmy.
Brady can refuse any trade.

He may have a say in the matter, but that doesn't mean that Bill Belichick is going to send him to Denver, which is how I got roped into this discussion to begin with.

I never said that. I said he won't be tradable in this bizarro scenario unless he picks his destination. If BB won't trade him to his choice of team he has to cut him.

 

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After 24 pages and 11 days, I'm still trying to figure out where this...

I've watched this week as many posters on this board have essentially said they would be fine with getting rid of Brady to keep Garoppolo while others are basically requesting him to retire and get out of JAGs way.

...has happened. Can you source who these "many" posters are and source their posts to that effect? I've seen a couple of people prefer to get rid of Brady for JAG and I've seen a few people predict that he might retire (I've seen exactly zero people "requesting him to retire and get out of JAG's way"), but it's nowhere near what I would call "many posters". Can we source this? I need names and posts with links to said posts.

 

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If BB won't trade him to his choice of team he has to cut him.

You mean like they did with Seymour?

Again, there are about 20 other teams where Belichick would consider trading Brady, in this hypothetical scenario. Out of those 20 or so teams, I'm sure there are a few spots where Tom would "agree" (as if he had a choice aside from retiring) to play.

There's a whole other conference.

 

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Out of all of the possibilities in this hypothetical, nightmare-ish scenario, I thought we all could at least agree on:

--Tom freaking Brady is not going to be "cut"

AND

--Belichick isn't going to trade him to a conference rival

 

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You mean like they did with Seymour?

You can't see the difference?
You really think a team is going to trade for a QB who says he doesn't want to go there?

Again, there are about 20 other teams where Belichick would consider trading Brady, in this hypothetical scenario. Out of those 20 or so teams, I'm sure there are a few spots where Tom would "agree" (as if he had a choice aside from retiring) to play.

There's a whole other conference.

And as I have said Brady will choose where he goes. There is just no way he goes to his second or third or whatever other than first choice to make the guy who is saying FU to him happy.
He has 100% ability to control where he goes. Why wouldn't he use it?

 

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You can't see the difference?
You really think a team is going to trade for a QB who says he doesn't want to go there?


And as I have said Brady will choose where he goes. There is just no way he goes to his second or third or whatever other than first choice to make the guy who is saying FU to him happy.
He has 100% ability to control where he goes. Why wouldn't he use it?

Didn't work too well for 14 yr veteran Tony Romo, did it? He wanted to play for the Texans.

 

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Out of all of the possibilities in this hypothetical, nightmare-ish scenario, I thought we all could at least agree on:

--Tom freaking Brady is not going to be "cut"

AND

--Belichick isn't going to trade him to a conference rival

He has to be cut if you don't want him and he won't agree to the trade. No team will trade for him if he doesn't agree.

Didn't work too well for 14 yr veteran Tony Romo, did it? He wanted to play for the Texans.

You are comparing romo to Brady?

And the cowboys were releasing him. Houston didn't want to pay him and/or he just didn't want to play. But good example for my case Dallas was not able to trade him without his consent.