Rewatch Thread: NE @ Chicago (Week 7)

[luuked]

Here is the overhead shot of Pattersons KO return.


Reiss already showed all the relevant parts but its just great execution by the entire unit and especially great blocking by Allen, Ebner and Jackson.

It has been mentioned in the Post Game Thread already but I think we can all agree that this play really didn't need CP slowing down and high fiving his teammate before the endzone.

 

[luuked]

This one is part of my Brady / Gordon watch.


Another incompletion but in this case I think this was mostly about Brady being a bit "cold" after sitting on the bench for more than 45 minutes of real time after that weird sequence where the Patterson fumble, Michel fumble and Patterson return only gave them like 2 plays in that span of time.

Looks to me like Gordon sat down at the right place and the pass was just short.

 

[luuked]

This is Gordon's insane fourth down conversion.


Everything about is great. The ball placement by Brady, Gordon winning on the route early, his elevation and how cleanly he fields the ball. But maybe most impressive is that he didn't suffer a concussion and held on to the ball when falling to the ground.

 

[luuked]

Here is White's sweet move for a TD.


Why do I post this ? Because people keep complaining about how HT (or KVN) gets often beat by RBs and I just want to point out that essentially everyone has this problem. Floyd is screwed and has no chance at all against White.

This is a matchup every reasonable OC is trying to create and I think we should cut the players some slack because usually those are no-win scenarios.

 

[luuked]

And here is the final play the offense played in the first half:


I only post this to put it in contrast with the same play being run with CP a few games back. Edelman sets up too wide and then doesn't motion far enough in to use the two blockers in front of him to create a pick.

Here it is done by CP against the Colts:

 

[long distance]

Here is the only bad play of the first defensive series (6 plays in total):



Someone correct me but it looks like Adam Butler wanted to get through the B gap and Flowers was supposed to come around to the center. Butler got pushed into a stack of players which screwed Flowers timing to plug the hole in the middle.

Butler didn't have a good game but this was obviously a miscommunication.

There was also face mask on Calyborn and holding on KVN. Im not saying they should be called but just goes to show how arbitrary are the calls on OL play. If they would call all it would def. balance the advantage O has over D in todays game but the games would be 30 min longer.. (id still add a call or two more per game on OLs )

re Butler he added some 10lbs and they were pushing for him to be able to step in on 1st and 2nd downs in preseason (and actually played some in season as well) . but the Q is if that didn't take his edge as situational interior rusher?

 

[long distance]

Whatever the opposite of "communication issues" is

same page?

How often have you seen this play out with a defender immediately going after the QB, the QB lobbing a pass over him and the outlet player gaining good yardage ?

This defence might be slower and less athletic than the average . but is a smart, tough unit that plays together for a while and should only get better in winter conditions.. Of course domes take some of this advantage away but still. If SB was played outside like football should be played the winner of the game would be different..

 

[Uptown]

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

This one is part of my Brady / Gordon watch.


Another incompletion but in this case I think this was mostly about Brady being a bit "cold" after sitting on the bench for more than 45 minutes of real time after that weird sequence where the Patterson fumble, Michel fumble and Patterson return only gave them like 2 plays in that span of time.

Looks to me like Gordon sat down at the right place and the pass was just short.

Gordon has to come back for that. Plenty of room to step up.

There's a defender cutting across the middle, he might've saw him, but he has to come back for that.

 

[Ring 6]

This one is part of my Brady / Gordon watch.


Another incompletion but in this case I think this was mostly about Brady being a bit "cold" after sitting on the bench for more than 45 minutes of real time after that weird sequence where the Patterson fumble, Michel fumble and Patterson return only gave them like 2 plays in that span of time.

Looks to me like Gordon sat down at the right place and the pass was just short.

Gordon needs to come back to that ball.

 

[maineman209]

Here comes the whiff by Clayborn that led to Trubisky's TD.


I think it is pretty self explanatory what happened here. Clayborn smells a sack and goes for it and makes it easy for the Chicago QB to break contain and essentially just walk in.

The frustrating thing is that it is not like Clayborn was about to make a big play because the Bears would have been still comfortably within FG range.

Couple other observations on that play.

After Trubisky escapes Clayborn and reverses direction, he pauses for a beat to allow blocking to set up in front of him, and then he follows it well. He did the same thing on a couple of his other runs, and I don't think he's getting nearly enough credit for his running smarts.

When Trubisky pauses, another Pats defender (Gilmore, I think) unwisely charges through the middle instead of taking an angle to the edge. He effectively takes himself out of the play.

Also, the blocking setups for Trubisky's runs didn't seem completely "random" or ad hoc to me. They seemed well-practiced. I'm not saying that those were designed runs, just that it seems likely that the Bears offense may spend some significant practice time on "scramble drills" and remaining alert to the possibility.

 

[luuked]

Gordon has to come back for that. Plenty of room to step up.

There's a defender cutting across the middle, he might've saw him, but he has to come back for that.

Gordon needs to come back to that ball.

Welp. Sounds like yet another failed "comeback" connection with Brady. I think there was one which succeeded in the second half that I might get to later today but it feels like 99% of their attempts have failed so far.

 

[BTTA]

Welp. Sounds like yet another failed "comeback" connection with Brady. I think there was one which succeeded in the second half that I might get to later today but it feels like 99% of their attempts have failed so far.

Easy to think this from above in replay, but in real time, Gordon has set up in the most open part of the field and is perfectly reasonable to expect Brady to get him the ball there. By the time he recognizes that the velocity on the ball won't get it to him where he is, there's no time to take three steps back toward the defender to get it. So, to me, this one is on Brady more than on Gordon.

 

[luuked]

Easy to think this from above in replay, but in real time, Gordon has set up in the most open part of the field and is perfectly reasonable to expect Brady to get him the ball there. By the time he recognizes that the velocity on the ball won't get it to him where he is, there's no time to take three steps back toward the defender to get it. So, to me, this one is on Brady more than on Gordon.

I honestly don't know. Initially I put it on Brady just being "cold" after sitting on the sideline for about 45 minutes. Andy and BGC are both saying Gordon needed to come back deeper for that pass.

I don't know who is to blame but either way the comebacks -- no matter whether they are in the MOF or at the sidelines -- seem to be an area of problem.

 

[PP2]

One thing I'd like to look at is why BB suddenly subbed in a heavy unit on the punt return unit (HT and KVN) on the blocked punt. They must have lined HT up at the weakest point of the Bears punt protection, because HT flicked his guy aside like he was a cardboard cutout.

 

[BTTA]

I honestly don't know. Initially I put it on Brady just being "cold" after sitting on the sideline for about 45 minutes. Andy and BGC are both saying Gordon needed to come back deeper for that pass.

I don't know who is to blame but either way the comebacks -- no matter whether they are in the MOF or at the sidelines -- seem to be an area of problem.

Going forward, an optimistic lens on this (why not?) would be that this is one of the harder things to learn about the Pats' passing game, and once he gets it, will be even more effective. This just seems to be all about achievable upside to me. Brady is clearly invested in making it work.

 

[BTTA]

One thing I'd like to look at is why BB suddenly subbed in a heavy unit on the punt return unit (HT and KVN) on the blocked punt. They must have lined HT up at the weakest point of the Bears punt protection, because HT flicked his guy aside like he was a cardboard cutout.

Agreed. Someone inferred that it was an intentional game strategy - use the "light" unit for the first few punts, then show up with the heavy unit as a bit of a surprise, assuming the Bears wouldn't be ready for it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Welp. Sounds like yet another failed "comeback" connection with Brady. I think there was one which succeeded in the second half that I might get to later today but it feels like 99% of their attempts have failed so far.

Yea there's plenty of room for Gordon to work back w & every WR is taught from Pee-wee football to NFL to go get the ball. Whether it's a 50/50 or we, go make a play on the ball. This one is pretty easy imo.

 

[Sicilian]

I honestly don't know. Initially I put it on Brady just being "cold" after sitting on the sideline for about 45 minutes. Andy and BGC are both saying Gordon needed to come back deeper for that pass.

I don't know who is to blame but either way the comebacks -- no matter whether they are in the MOF or at the sidelines -- seem to be an area of problem.

I think I'm with them, that he got where he needed to be right, but needed to come back on a route that deep. Also, though the throw was low relative to his position, that's a catch that Gordon usually makes with his great hands. We've seen him make much tougher grabs, so either way I put that on him.

He's getting there though. These things will get cleaned up.

 

[luuked]

Since some people can't deal with reality lets go directly to this week's INT by Brady.


People get distracted by Develin failing to control the ball and tipping it to the Bears defender. But the issue with the entire sequence is much more basic and anything that Develin does is just a red herring and completely irrelevant for discussing whether this was a good decision or not.

Brady wanted to go for Edelman but White whiffs the pass protection block on #95:



Brady notices that he will be hit and can't make the throw to Edelman.

Instead he lobs a pass towards your fullback just seconds before getting hit:



This has pick six by #36 of the Bears written all over it and is simply a dangerous decision from the very beginning. In a two score game, on the outer edge but still within Ghosts FG range.

This entire play should have been dead when Brady realized he would not be able to get the ball to Edelman after White whiffed the block. From a mental perspective this was very similar to the fumble last week because Brady tried to make something out of a dead play even though the team was not in a do or die situation.

If we are down 10 at this point the entire situation changes and I understand why he thought he needed to keep the drive alive. That is the crux here. It was bad situational football. The outcome has no impact on assessing whether a decision was sound or not.

What happens with Develin doesn't matter at all. Hell, even if Develin scores I would be here saying this was a bad decision. You throw the ball away or take a sack but don't risk a turnover because more often than not you won't get away with it.