Rewatch Thread: NE @ CAR (Preseason #3)

[Bcc66duece]

Crossen's numbers are kinda impressive, really.

For as bad as his game was against the eagles I'd have to agree.

 

[luuked]

Agreed but he has to be expecting that on 3rd down. He jumped the snap which will happen several times each game. Poor set imo. Again he has get vertical early or cut that angle off w a slide.

Quite honestly at this point I think we know why SF moved from Brown despite his impressive size. He is too inconsistent. Now a year under Scar might change that but for anyone wondering why he was even available I think the writing is on the wall.

 

[PP2]

It was 3rd & 9.

Lol it wasn't a teaching tool.

Probably overthinking here. Just can't figure out why they collapsed the pocket like that. Newton is a better runner than he is a thrower. Did they lose contain discipline?

What I've noticed is that like last year, we still are having trouble setting the edge. Other teams are going to notice this.

 

[PP2]

Quite honestly at this point I think we know why SF moved from Brown despite his impressive size. He is too inconsistent. Now a year under Scar might change that but for anyone wondering why he was even available I think the writing is on the wall.

It could have been that we were hoping he'd be a temporary stopgap until Wynn got his feet under him. We had to have been aware of his up and down play, his lack of stamina (which would be compensated with Wynn giving him a breather every now and then).

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Probably overthinking here. Just can't figure out why they collapsed the pocket like that. Newton is a better runner than he is a thrower. Did they lose contain discipline?

What I've noticed is that like last year, we still are having trouble setting the edge. Other teams are going to notice this.

I definitely understand what you're saying & it's not wrong in general. Just imagine if we sat back & gave him 4-5 seconds to find a target.
Sure he might be a better runner but I think most on here really under rate him as a passer. I remember someone telling me he can't read a defense last year. He's not Brady or Manning but he can absolutely read a defense & scan the field.
Specifically to that play. The thing that really bothered me was the fact that we had 0 2nd level defenders or a spy on Newton.

That's "defending Cam" 101 imo.

Only good thing about that play is the fact that Newton took a shot that will be drilled in his head of what not to do anymore ... even though he will lol. He should have dumped that off to Caff.

One of the best "gets" while players were mic'd up.

 

[long distance]

WIDE RECEIVERS
Dorsett is safe.
Decker is not.
McCarron is not.

DEFENSIVE BACKS
Cyrus Jones is likely to be our PR for at least four games.
Jason McCourty was given a last chance to see if he can make the 53 as a safety.
CB's for now: Gilmore, Rowe, Dawson, with J Jones, Jackson, Crossen in the mix
[we could keep all of them]

OFFENSIVE LINE
I'm fine with our current starters plus Waddle
If we keep additional 3 backups, they should be Karras, Croston and Tobin

you posted this in re-watch thread in case you haven't noticed..
then again its not that easy to notice lately..

thanks to Tony, BGC for some actual re-watch contributions..

 

[long distance]

Quite honestly at this point I think we know why SF moved from Brown despite his impressive size. He is too inconsistent. Now a year under Scar might change that but for anyone wondering why he was even available I think the writing is on the wall.

Did you re-watch his every preseason snap to come to that conclusion? And did you watch other tackles around the league as well?

I took some time to watch all of T.Brown's preseason snaps with Brady.
Last game he had one bad drive that was taken out of the context . he was solid for the rest of the game with some strong plays as well. This game he had one or two hiccups and more positive plays with solid play the rest of the game. I wouldn't go as far as Thornton who says he had a good game. but to me it was a solid LT performance overall. On longer plays in PP he occasionally finishes too early imo and there are other issues that were pinpointed before but it is way too early to talk about inconsistency.

I was a bit sceptical about his character issues upon trade (taking coaching, keeping himself in shape..) but by all accounts it seems he engaged the best he can at Foxb. Then again this is most critical year for his football career and life's earnings..

Btw - they played two of the top front 7 units in the league last two games. A bigger test against HOU and JAX is coming in real games. But at this point in time Patriots can be glad they have Mount Brown.

 

[luuked]

Did you re-watch his every preseason snap to come to that conclusion? And did you watch other tackles around the league as well?

Nope. Just my impression from watching some of the game a few times. He just looks like someone who has impressive physical traits but not 100% control over them making his blocking or some of his steps look inconsistent. But it is knee jerk based on just rewatching some scenes but not doing a full rewatch from his pov.

I was a bit sceptical about his character issues upon trade (taking coaching, keeping himself in shape..) but by all accounts it seems he engaged the best he can at Foxb. Then again this is most critical year for his football career and life's earnings..

I don't think he is "lazy" or doing anything but giving it all. I just feel like he has not mastered the way he is using his enormous size and physical traits. But I might just be full of **** and totally wrong.

But at this point in time Patriots can be glad they have Mount Brown.

I am happy he is here. After Wynns injury even more so. Just pointing out that I feel like I understand why the 49ers let such an intriguing player go at a position of uttermost importance.

 

[luuked]

More on Brown from Lazar:

Film Review: Time to Slow Down the Trent Brown Hype Train | CLNS Media

@long distance I just saw this and it pretty much says what I tried to express in much more eloquent ways and with examples.

 

[PScottman]

Just can't figure out why they collapsed the pocket like that.

There's been lots of debate here on the "aggressiveness" of the Flores game calling method through the preseason. Perhaps Occam's Razor applies and the play call was simply more aggressive in design than previous years' "contain the mobile quarterback at all costs" mantra with no ulterior motive?

Preseason is all about setting up the team. That's its purpose - who stays, who goes, and what will their role be to start the season. Conversely, it also is illuminating to what you don't have - so scheme and game planning can be leveraged to disguise or minimize those aspects OR educate you to possibly seek better fits from amongst the cut downs.

Lastly, this game happens in microseconds. Sometimes even a wrong muscle twitch or thought of what to do is the difference between a successful defensive stand or an easy conversion.

 

[long distance]

More on Brown from Lazar:

Film Review: Time to Slow Down the Trent Brown Hype Train | CLNS Media

@long distance I just saw this and it pretty much says what I tried to express in much more eloquent ways and with examples.

I know . but you can take two plays like that from most starting tackles every game.

f.e. here is first OAK drive vs. relatively average GB front 7. 1st rounder Kolton Miller LT and Penn moved to RT. Carr's lucky to still have the season (they were as bad run blocking on that drive not shown here - hence FG):



They didn't do much better afterwards. Half of the lines are borderline dangerous at this point (one reason some coaches don't play starting QBs much or at all).

Not saying T.Brown or Pats OL don't have issues but still look like one of the more consistent OLs at the moment and possibly most consistent 2nd OL unit over 3 preseason games.

 

[long distance]

@ MounT Brown

Most successful outside runs go through 77 . here he destroys the edge with a little help of D.Allen:



Most runs through Waddle were not successful. While La Waddle is good swing T asset and solid in PP . getting Cannon back will be huge to balance outside run game.

Nice continuing effort pushing LB to the locker room here (would be better if he did this to #99 Short though not his guy here):



Here he quits the play early after rock solid PP . thinking the ball was thrown already (as maybe it should be since Gronk was wide open for TD but TB gave up on him too early):

 

[Ring 6]

Have to wonder what the call was for this play. Was it purposefully aggressive so the DL could learn what happens if you collapse the pocket aggressively against a running QB that will simply outrun you? Sort of like a teaching tool for the regular season.

Reminds me of Grant at Vicksburg, who let his men charge the city on the first day to find out a seige was necessary.

It was a pass rush. Contain is not an inherent facet of a pass rush, beating your man to get to the qb is.

 

[Ring 6]

I definitely understand what you're saying & it's not wrong in general. Just imagine if we sat back & gave him 4-5 seconds to find a target.
Sure he might be a better runner but I think most on here really under rate him as a passer. I remember someone telling me he can't read a defense last year. He's not Brady or Manning but he can absolutely read a defense & scan the field.
Specifically to that play. The thing that really bothered me was the fact that we had 0 2nd level defenders or a spy on Newton.

That's "defending Cam" 101 imo.

Only good thing about that play is the fact that Newton took a shot that will be drilled in his head of what not to do anymore ... even though he will lol. He should have dumped that off to Caff.

One of the best "gets" while players were mic'd up.

But it’s a preseason game, so they are running calls they want to work on, not choosing the best call to defend Cam Newton.

 

[long distance]

fwiw



@ Pats 2nd unit OL . Ferentz indeed had quietly a very solid season both at G and C (lately plays more LG) and since he is not PS eligible anymore (iirc) could be a surprise roster candidate (although hidden roster would make more sense..)

 

[captain stone]

I definitely understand what you're saying & it's not wrong in general. Just imagine if we sat back & gave him 4-5 seconds to find a target.
Sure he might be a better runner but I think most on here really under rate him as a passer. I remember someone telling me he can't read a defense last year. He's not Brady or Manning but he can absolutely read a defense & scan the field.
Specifically to that play. The thing that really bothered me was the fact that we had 0 2nd level defenders or a spy on Newton.

That's "defending Cam" 101 imo.

Only good thing about that play is the fact that Newton took a shot that will be drilled in his head of what not to do anymore ... even though he will lol. He should have dumped that off to Caff.

One of the best "gets" while players were mic'd up.

That play worked because of OPI.

 

[PP2]

It was a pass rush. Contain is not an inherent facet of a pass rush, beating your man to get to the qb is.

First game of the season is against Texans. Watson is a running QB.

I think it would have been good to use the Carolina game to work on the contain, especially on a 3rd and long which has been a problem for us.

 

[Ring 6]

First game of the season is against Texans. Watson is a running QB.

I think it would have been good to use the Carolina game to work on the contain, especially on a 3rd and long which has been a problem for us.

They work on everything.
They will at times rush a running qb without strict lane discipline. Defense is about sacrificing something to take away something else. You can’t keep doing the same thing.

The “game plan” on a preseason game is to call what will help you evaluate players. Mush rushing isn’t really a big evaluation tool.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

I'm posting this in slow motion for two reasons:

1. Cyrus makes some nice quick cutting moves during the return,

and

2. I thought slomo gave the T-stretch a more dramatic effect.

My only criticism would be with how he's holding the ball. But aside from that he does have a little Troy Brown in him return game wise.

Good vision; read his blocks well.

Does he have the quality that I crave?

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Pretty impressive first down.

I am enthused by Patterson's development & improvement.