Jacoby Brissett

[ivanvamp]

FWIW, I'm not dumping on Brissett. I would love him here as a backup still.

 

[Tony2046]

This is getting to the point where it is absurd. Dorsett is a solid contributor as many have pointed out in the role that he has. While at the same time the Colts media is slowly realizing the very same limitations of JB that made the Patriots move on from him:



The trade was anything but a bust for us. You know what trade was a bust ? Coleman + 1 for Marsh.. that is a bust. JB for Dorsett gave us a solid player and emergency depth for Cooks on a rookie contract. You are just looking at the bottomline without any context.

I admire his defense of Jacoby and I too liked him and wish he was still here because I think he has more upside and would have liked to see him develop but that trade most definitely was not a bust.

Dorsett is a speedy deep threat and one of the better blocking receivers on the team. He looks like he enjoys blocking downfield.

A definite asset. Good trade.

 

[Tony2046]

Brissett is only a "starting QB" because their starting QB got hurt. Brissett is not a *real* starting QB.

I'm still sticking to my prediction that JB will turn out to be a better QB than Prescott which means he is a real starting QB imo.

 

[Simpelton]

I really don't understand the jihad here dumping on inexperienced Brissett who...

1. had ZERO training camp with the Clots
2. started his 1st several games having no knowledge of the offense
3. joined a team whose GM was busy trimming its roster to TANK the season
4. joined a bad team with a proven atrocious OL
5. despite all the above, ranks just below the middle of the pack of NFL QB performance

It's guys like BB who emphasize how important training camp is especially for inexperienced players

I don't think there's a jihad against Brissett, not really. I see a lot of fans rallying to the defense of Belichick. They seem to be seeing the Brissett trade and its analysis after the fact as an attack on our head coach.

Problem is that since we can't all be geniuses, some of them are defending Belichick in the stupidest possible manner, by slagging on the guy he traded and pretending that Brissett's stock hasn't grown significantly based on his performance as a Colt. It's impressive as an exercise in creative denial, but neither useful nor interesting as an actual defense of Belichick.

Personally I still think that trade was a win-win, because Dorsett is more useful to the Patriots right now than Brissett would have been at the moment. For as long as Tom Brady is Tom Brady, we don't need an average starting quarterback. Brissett's value to the Colts is far greater than it would have been to us. My only wish is that instead of another wideout we'd traded Brissett for some help on the defensive line, but the Colts don't have anyone that would have been an attractive option,

I also kind of wonder, given the number of times Brissett came out of the 3rd quarter with either a lead or a competitive game only to lose at the last minute, just how much the ownership is directing the franchise to tank. Like I said, take a look at 4th quarter points surrendered. It's unbelievable how bad the Colts defense is in the last 15 minutes of the game. Suspiciously bad in fact. Not the first time either, given "Suck for Luck."

 

[Nehalem]

I'm still sticking to my prediction that JB will turn out to be a better QB than Prescott which means he is a real starting QB imo.

Given how Prescott has played without Elliott this season that may be less of a prediction and more a statement of fact.

 

[rochrist]

I really don't understand the jihad here dumping on inexperienced Brissett who...

1. had ZERO training camp with the Clots
2. started his 1st several games having no knowledge of the offense
3. joined a team whose GM was busy trimming its roster to TANK the season
4. joined a bad team with a proven atrocious OL
5. despite all the above, ranks just below the middle of the pack of NFL QB performance

It's guys like BB who emphasize how important training camp is especially for inexperienced players

If anything, that's an indictment on how bad the rest of the league is.

 

[luuked]

You make a lot of excuses. Doesn’t change the outcome however, the Colts still won that trade. A starting QB for a depth WR is a bad trade. You could ask a 6 year old who just watched his first nfl game and he would grasp that.

You are all over the place. So we would have kept Edelman involved, we are able to involve Bennett, but Dorsett is the exception. Your excuses are weak. I mention Hogan because there are 7-8 targets a game that would have went to him over the past 3 weeks that still aren’t going to Dorsett. A solid contributor as you call him would have stepped up and filled a Hogan’s void, Dorsett has not.

You make no sense at all. We didnt trade Brady. We traded our #3 QB to the Colts for a player that consistently contributes on the field. Whether this is in the blocking game, by funneling coverage somewhere or with receptions he actually made an impact. JB would have been inactive through the first 8 games and then sat on the bench (or maybe would have been cut/IRd to make room for a real backup like Hoyer).

And just to make the point even more clear why Hogans injury made Dorsetts presence relevant:



Having 3 WR packages might just be a tad important.

 

[Simpelton]

If anything, that's an indictment on how bad the rest of the league is.

Or an indictment of us. We really are in no position to be a good judge of average quarterbacks. We've been spoiled for way too long to really understand what most teams have to deal with at the QB position.

 

[Rusty Coupe]

Jacoby is paying a heavy price to become a starting QB in the NFL, holy crap.

 

[luuked]

Just to continue to harp on that stupid Dorsett is a bust angle.. even Baldy recognizes the value Dorsett has as complimentary piece on the field:

 

[patchick]

Personally I still think that trade was a win-win, because Dorsett is more useful to the Patriots right now than Brissett would have been at the moment.

Thank you for this simple statement of reason! I keep reading that it was a bad trade and shouldn't have been made because Brissett is more valuable to the Colts than Dorsett is the Patriots. That's an emotional evaluation, not a practical one. What matters from a Pats perspective is that Dorsett is more valuable to the Patriots than Brissett would have been to the Patriots.

New England is a much stronger team, so a player who would have been a wasted roster spot for them this season can be a starter for the Colts. Fine, yay for Indy for managing maybe a 5-11 season instead of 3-13.

As for next season, surely it's clear as day that BB & co. didn't see Brissett as a strong long term backup, let alone Brady heir. If they had, he'd still be a Patriot (and Garoppolo would have started game 1 for the Cleveland Browns).

 

[Simpelton]

Jacoby is paying a heavy price to become a starting QB in the NFL, holy crap.

Betcha money that Brissett knew that going in. He's in a high risk high reward position. If he survives, he's set, worst case scenario he'll be a journeyman like Ryan Fitzpatrick for the rest of his career, making millions to struggle to make .500 for the next several seasons. From the perspective of a quarterback that is never going to be in the MVP consideration, that's what success looks like

If not, at least he got his shot and did what he could with it. Ask any NFL quarterback they'd probably rather be out there getting murdered trying to prove they belong, than on the sidelines holding a clipboard anyday.

 

[Brady6]

You make no sense at all. We didnt trade Brady. We traded our #3 QB to the Colts for a player that consistently contributes on the field. Whether this is in the blocking game, by funneling coverage somewhere or with receptions he actually made an impact. JB would have been inactive through the first 8 games and then sat on the bench (or maybe would have been cut/IRd to make room for a real backup like Hoyer).

Consistently contributes on the field? He has not had a catch in 7 of 11 games this season.

A real backup like Brian Hoyer... wow you sound so dumb it's laughable.

And just to make the point even more clear why Hogans injury made Dorsetts presence relevant:

Yes because we could have never found a player to run a route and not have the ball throw to him, Dorsett was the only one that could do it.

 

[captain stone]

Jacoby is paying a heavy price to become a starting QB in the NFL, holy crap.

Dear Mr Irsay:

Please never fire this HC. Never.

Thank you.

 

[rochrist]

Consistently contributes on the field? He has not had a catch in 7 of 11 games this season.

A real backup like Brian Hoyer... wow you sound so dumb it's laughable.


Yes because we could have never found a player to run a route and not have the ball throw to him, Dorsett was the only one that could do it.

I'm sure that being number 4 on the depth chart when they're almost never throwing 4 WRs on the field at once had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Against NO, when Amendola was out, he was targeted 3 times and caught all three. Since Hogan has been out he's been targeted 3 times and caught all 3. For the season, he's caught the ball every single time its been thrown his way. He's also averaging 20 yards a catch.

 

[Brady6]

I'm sure that being number 4 on the depth chart when they're almost never throwing 4 WRs on the field at once had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Against NO, when Amendola was out, he was targeted 3 times and caught all three. Since Hogan has been out he's been targeted 3 times and caught all 3. For the season, he's caught the ball every single time its been thrown his way. He's also averaging 20 yards a catch.

If Dorsett was good he would be on the field and be getting the opportunity. The fact that he cannot get on the field on a team that lost it's #1 WR in the preseason indicates he is not doing a whole lot to increase his opportunities.

Dion Lewis was last on the depth chart for RBs at the start of the season, he earned his way onto the field more.

Malcolm Mitchell had 32 catches 14 games as our #4 or #5 WR last season.

 

[Brady6]

Yeah, no. He hasn't played well. His play has been, at best, the very definition of mediocre.

Compare Brissett to Wentz and Goff in their first season as a starter...

Games Comp Att % Yds YPA TD Int Rate
Wentz 16 379 607 62.4 3,782 6.23 16 14 79.3
Goff 7 112 205 54.6 1,089 5.31 5 7 63.6
Brissett 11 196 323 60.7 2,368 7.33 9 5 86

They also had a full training camp and preseason with their teams.

mic drop...

 

[Bruins29]

Dion Lewis was last on the depth chart for RBs at the start of the season, he earned his way onto the field more.

??? DLew already proved he could be a feature back in this program a long time ago.

 

[Brady6]

@rochrist is Garoppolo still going to replace Brady?

 

[Simpelton]

If Dorsett was good he would be on the field and be getting the opportunity. The fact that he cannot get on the field on a team that lost it's #1 WR in the preseason indicates he is not doing a whole lot to increase his opportunities.

Dion Lewis was last on the depth chart for RBs at the start of the season, he earned his way onto the field more.

Malcolm Mitchell had 32 catches 14 games as our #4 or #5 WR last season.

Mitchell did a lot of his damage as a regular season receiver either before we learned what we had with Chris Hogan, or after the injury to Gronk opened things up for the wide receivers.

I'm convinced Dorsett is doing exactly what Bill Belichick expects him to do. He's not taking regular snaps because Bill didn't turn out to need a depth WR to take regular snaps. The guys in front of him are Cooks and Amendola and a lot of targets are going to Gronk, Burkhead and Lewis as well. Which of those guys should Dorsett be beating out right now? D you really think that Dorsett, a guy who's only had a few months to learn the Patriots very complicated playbook, should be taking snaps away from Burkhead or Gronk right now?

I think we can expect Belichick to work Dorsett into the offense gradually in the last few weeks of the season to see what he might be able to give us in the playoffs. But I don't expect that putting Dorsett out there to get regular snaps this year was ever in the plan. He's here for what he can possibly do for the team in the playoffs and next season.