This is why the Patriots won't trade Jimmy G in 2017

[XLIX]

In light of this, the logical argument is that the Patriots should trade Garoppolo because there is no way you can pay 2 QBs franchise money. This is true. But, if you are going to move a franchise QB, you better get enough capitol to draft a franchise QB in return. Cleveland's 12th pick is not going to get the job done, and no number of 2nd rounders is going to change that.

What makes you so sure? The Patriots drafted a franchise QB in the 6th round. If one believes Garoppolo is a franchise QB, he was taken quite late in the 2nd round. While I won't go so far as to call Brissett a franchise QB, he was taken in the 3rd round.

So I don't think Belichick is thinking "geez if we want to replace Garoppolo, we need a top 10 selection."

 

[XLIX]

LMAO, why would he sign? $25M reasons. Sure he'd prefer to get it and play but he's taking the $25M.

And, yes, I do think JG could win a Super Bowl with Gronk, Cooks and Edelman.

That is much easier said than done. Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time and even then, the Patriots barely won SB49 and barely won SB51.

I think people underestimate the dropoff at the QB this team will experience. Even if Garoppolo is a very good pro QB, he will still be a far cry from Brady.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

That is much easier said than done. Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time and even then, the Patriots barely won SB49 and barely won SB51.

I think people underestimate the dropoff at the QB this team will experience. Even if Garoppolo is a very good pro QB, he will still be a far cry from Brady.

Not that I'm in the "Keep JAG for 2017 because we need him as backup to win the Lombardi" camp but lots of QBs far inferior to TFB have won the SB and not all of them had Denver's 2015 D.

 

[XLIX]

Not that I'm in the "Keep JAG for 2017 because we need him as backup to win the Lombardi" camp but lots of QBs far inferior to TFB have won the SB and not all of them had Denver's 2015 D.

I believe Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time. As such, any QB that won the Super Bowl is an inferior QB who managed to do it.

However, it cannot be argued that the Patriots have won their Super Bowls by razor thin margins - especially the last 2. (Arguably SB39 was more comfortable than the final score indicates but that was over a decade ago so let's focus on SB49 and SB51)

If everything remains equal but we suffer a dropoff at the QB position, it would be hard to argue we still win those Super Bowls. As such, there is zero evidence to suggest Garoppolo could win a Super Bowl with the Patriots as currently constituted.

 

[XLIX]

Yes he would. He'd have no choice.

Offering him the franchise tag could potentially backfire. If I'm Jimmy, I want to be a UFA. If the Patriots franchised me, I would think long and hard about signing the deal, collecting my $25 million (give or take) and refusing all trades (and yes I know he can't technically refuse a trade but no team would trade for a franchised QB absent a deal in principle in place). Then the Patriots are stuck with a $25 million backup they can't unload.

 

[rochrist]

Jimmy G isn't winning a super bowl at this stage of his career.

Way worse QBs have won. WAY worse.

 

[Ring 6]

Way worse QBs have won. WAY worse.

And way better ones haven't.

But I'm not sure how you can call anyone way worse than a guy with a 6 quarter career

 

[Ring 6]

Offering him the franchise tag could potentially backfire. If I'm Jimmy, I want to be a UFA. If the Patriots franchised me, I would think long and hard about signing the deal, collecting my $25 million (give or take) and refusing all trades (and yes I know he can't technically refuse a trade but no team would trade for a franchised QB absent a deal in principle in place). Then the Patriots are stuck with a $25 million backup they can't unload.

he has sat for all but 6 quarters of his 3 years in the NFL.
If the patriots do not trade him
this year they are telling him although we know teams would want him and expect him to be the starter they are refusing to let him go get his shot.
Come back next year and tag him to miss another year and you tell me how happy he is going to be.

 

[XLIX]

he has say for all 6 quarters of his 3 years in the NFL.
If the patriots do not trade him
this year they are telling him although we know teams would want him and expect him to be the starter they are refusing to let him go get his shot.
Come back next year and tag himto miss another year and you tell me how happy he is going to be.

I only speak English but I am going to try my best to respond to the above....

Obviously the guy would like to be a UFA. That goes without saying. If, however, the Patriots franchise him then he may have a choice to make. I don't see much chance of a holdout so he would have to choose whether or not to accept any trade the Patriots make. That would depend entirely on the circumstances of the trade; i.e. what other team was involved and what new deal are they offering?

He may decide it is better to ride the bench for another year then be a UFA instead of accepting a trade to go into a really bad situation.

 

[Biffins]

I do not think that Jimmy Garoppolo will be the QB of the future for the Patriots, nor will Jacoby Brissett. The QB of the future is not on this team, and is probably not in the NFL yet.

Tom Brady wants to play for 5 more years. Many argue that this is not possible, that father time will step in and that there will be a steep drop in production. To this, I ask why? People will argue the precedent set by Warren Moon, Brett Favre and Peyton Manning. Brady it not a logical successor to this precedent. Moon was a scrambler, and scrambling QBs take more and harder hits than pocket passers. Favre was questionable with injury nearly every week from 2002 until his retirement. Manning sustained two injuries that severely compromised him physically. Brady, at age 39, is at peak health.

What physical skill is going to erode from Brady's arsenal? It's certainly not his blazing speed. He's never had a rocket arm. Brady's best attributes are in his mind, not his body. When that arm strength erodes, he will still be able to game manage his way into the playoffs. The current offense is set up to support and mask a potentially declining QB. Brady is here to stay.

In light of this, the logical argument is that the Patriots should trade Garoppolo because there is no way you can pay 2 QBs franchise money. This is true. But, if you are going to move a franchise QB, you better get enough capitol to draft a franchise QB in return. Cleveland's 12th pick is not going to get the job done, and no number of 2nd rounders is going to change that. This year's 12th pick is a draft value black hole. Nobody is going to give up a 2018 1st to move up to take Mitchel Trubisky, and the players that will be available at #12 (Watson, Ramzyk, McCaffrey) are late 1st round types. Belichick has no interest in a 2017 pick unless it is pick #1.

Now, in 2018, things may change. The market will be there, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Arizona and the NY Giants will all be looking for future starters. Houston, San Fran, Cleveland and the Jets may still be looking for their franchise QB. A trade for a 1st round pick in 2018 is not guaranteed to produce higher value than it does in 2017, but it is likely to. Belichick will be smart to keep Garoppolo around as the league's best backup in 2017, franchise him, then trade him for a package of picks in 2018. Those picks will be packaged to draft the future.

Belichick just recently said in an interview that the best thing Brady does, above and beyond any other QB, is get us out of the negative yard and low percentage plays. So seeing the way the defense lines up, Brady would change or alter the play or change his protection, to give them the highest chance of success. This is all cerebral. This is the homework and study that Brady does. BB didn't talk about the laser throws in tight coverage, although he also said that in another interview / press conference, how Tom consistently makes the tightest throws in all of NFL and has the best accuracy of any QB, but the skill he values higher than any other is Tom's ability to read the defense and give the Pats the best chance of success. I don't think Brady will lose this ability in any fashion. Neither did Peyton Manning till the end. If Peyton's body hadn't collapsed on him, he'd still be slinging it. Brady is in great physical shape and can keep producing for years.

 

[Ring 6]

I only speak English but I am going to try my best to respond to the above....

Obviously the guy would like to be a UFA. That goes without saying. If, however, the Patriots franchise him then he may have a choice to make. I don't see much chance of a holdout so he would have to choose whether or not to accept any trade the Patriots make. That would depend entirely on the circumstances of the trade; i.e. what other team was involved and what new deal are they offering?

He may decide it is better to ride the bench for another year then be a UFA instead of accepting a trade to go into a really bad situation.

Or he can hold out, and negotiate his own trade.

 

[rochrist]

And way better ones haven't.

But I'm not sure how you can call anyone way worse than a guy with a 6 quarter career

Quite easily.

 

[Ring 6]

Quite easily.

Obviously, but there is little value in that.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Or he can hold out, and negotiate his own trade.

He's not holding out in lieu of collecting $25M. Sure he'd prefer to play but he's taking the $25M.

 

[supafly]

He's not holding out in lieu of collecting $25M. Sure he'd prefer to play but he's taking the $25M.

Only on patsfans.com is the (6 quarters played) backup QB going to command the top overall pick in the draft or hold out next year instead of collecting 24m dollars.

I've really got to find a .gif or meme of Belichick's "************" moment, because it looks like it's going to be a long offseason.

 

[Ring 6]

He's not holding out in lieu of collecting $25M. Sure he'd prefer to play but he's taking the $25M.

He would get more with a successful holdout.

 

[Ring 6]

Only on patsfans.com is the (6 quarters played) backup QB going to command the top overall pick in the draft or hold out next year instead of collecting 24m dollars.

I've really got to find a .gif or meme of Belichick's "************" moment, because it looks like it's going to be a long offseason.

If he has teams willing to trade for him and give him a long term contract of course he will use whatever leverage he has.
Do you really think he wants to sit on the bench for 5 years?
The point of holding out (really just not signing the tag) is to force the patriots hand and let him negotiate where he wants to be traded. He certainly has the ability to excerise that leverage.

 

[Nehalem]

And way better ones haven't.

But I'm not sure how you can call anyone way worse than a guy with a 6 quarter career

2015 Peyton Manning

 

[DW Toys]

he has sat for all but 6 quarters of his 3 years in the NFL.
If the patriots do not trade him
this year they are telling him although we know teams would want him and expect him to be the starter they are refusing to let him go get his shot.
Come back next year and tag him to miss another year and you tell me how happy he is going to be.

Excellent post Cousin.
Let's all agree BB is not stupid. The positives to trade JG by far outweigh the negatives.
We get three or four top picks for a player we are paying to sit quietly and not play. We don't want him to play.
Well maybe.....We want JG to play just 64 snaps this year (kneel-downs).

If we miss out on a JJ Watt type (who I still think the Texans could dangle) or a Richard Seymour type or a Von Miller clone who could help us right away in return for a back up QB......who in the case of the Browns you could get a serviceable clip board holder in Osweiler that just perhaps Josh can mold....and he becomes even more wampum.
If the logic is to hold onto Jimmy G even though he would love to have his own Team, why not pay the bucks and hold onto Malcom who is a top 5 CB commodity and actually plays? Is he not a franchise CB perhaps? It makes no sense.
DW Toys

 

[Ring 6]

Excellent post Cousin.
Let's all agree BB is not stupid. The positives to trade JG by far outweigh the negatives.
We get three or four top picks for a player we are paying to sit quietly and not play. We don't want him to play.
Well maybe.....We want JG to play just 64 snaps this year (kneel-downs).

If we miss out on a JJ Watt type (who I still think the Texans could dangle) or a Richard Seymour type or a Von Miller clone who could help us right away in return for a back up QB......who in the case of the Browns you could get a serviceable clip board holder in Osweiler that just perhaps Josh can mold....and he becomes even more wampum.
If the logic is to hold onto Jimmy G even though he would love to have his own Team, why not pay the bucks and hold onto Malcom who is a top 5 CB commodity and actually plays? Is he not a franchise CB perhaps? It makes no sense.
DW Toys

I think what's at issue here is that rather than saying we get 3-4 quality picks it's really we get whatever we can. It will be less next year.
We shouldn't not trade him because the highest offer is "insulting" to fans who think he is Brady 2.0.