I see no possible way that you could get more for garapollo next year than his year. The patriots will be over a barrel. They can't keep a backup at 24 million. I don't think any team in their right mind would trade for him without an agreement for a long term deal in place. But why would Jimmy agree to that? He can refuse and end up a free agent where he can write his own deal. Not to mention if I'm jimmy I do not want my new team to give up a ton to get me when I can just play hardball, get released and let my future team keep its picks.
We may literally get nothing at all for him if we do not trade him this year.
As to the other side if your argument it's silly to say you won't trade a player because you think other teams should be willing to offer more. The market is what it is. The decision isn't what is offered vs what you hoped for. It's what is offered vs one year of service as a backup QB and potentially getting nothing at all.
Cousin Andy, Have to agree vehemently.
1) Pats never get more than Jimmy G is worth as a "cheap test" for a year for any Team that trades for him.If they want to sign him even half way through the season to a big deal, they still can. This creates interest from
Teams like the Texans who perhaps did pay way too much for Osweiler.
They need a QB right away and Billy O was lamenting this week how it is a tremendous undertaking with a rookie QB. Their system is the same or similar as the Patriots, so they have a possibility of a seamless transition. Plus they will pay less for Jimmy G than if they have to swap up picks to get a Trubisky in both CAP monies and giving up picks anyway. It also might entice Teams like the Chiefs and Chargers who might be closer to changing out aging QBs.
2) Even in Jimmy G's small sample of work, he has had three NFL Camps and has been emulating TB in every Pats QB drill. He is coached by one of the best OC's in the game for three years. Do you prefer a QB that has played in some games in the NFL, is seasoned more than any other rookie, or gamble that the QB you Drafted is not Christian Ponder or E.J. Manual?
3) Win now Teams like the Texans, Chiefs or even a sneaky Team in the mix like Coughlin and the Jags who have invested big in other positions, but who are not enthralled with Bortles, I am sure would prefer a seasoned Jimmy G.
4)The last time we checked, it was Jimmy G. that got hurt last year, not the 39 year old Brady. As a side note, you think Alonzo is going to pile drive Brady with such vigor? Does the world world watch every hit Brady takes including the Refs? So waiting for a Brady injury is luck that every NFL player needs to avoid injury. TB is in shape and has no major issues.
5) Do you think Jimmy G wants to sit a few more years, or get his own Team even if the Browns? As a competitor he should believe he could make a difference.
6) If Jimmy G was in this Draft , would there be any doubt he would be the first QB taken? Maybe pick #1? Therefor getting the number one pick for him from the Browns is feasible, but perhaps not plausible in the mind of the Browns as like any Team, they seek the best deal.
In fact I would take Osweiler (might close the deal!) to take Jimmy G's B.U. place if the Browns fork over his major Salary (they will to make this trade) . He has spots where he played well. The Playoff game here in the first half he was slinging. He was better than TB. Why couldn't Osweiler be competitive as a back up here if Brisett is Geno Smith in disguise? I'd feel about the same with Osweiler as if Jimmy G was here in back up roles, and you know JG will not be around to two or three years anyway.In the end Osweiler might be a cheaper option.
What if Josh can get Oweiler going? He might bring some good wampum in the future as well.
7) It is astute to say I can't see the Pats franchising Jimmy G and paying $24 MM is QBs in 2018.........And then hoping said back up QB does not play a snap in 2018.
8) Jimmy G could force the Pats hand in 2018 and worse case scenario, Pats wind up with that "oh-so-valuable" third round comp pick they love (see Jamie Collins......all of us in this forum could have made a better Trade.....punishment to send him to Siberia? Perhaps)
9) Teams will pay a ransom for a good QB. So the return is NOW for Jimmy G. The much oft injured Bradford brought a first and another top 2018 pick and he has been mediocre his career.
10) The not-so-discussed trade options are available in 2018 from two Teams mentioned. The Texans are going to have to move up to get a QB of note unless they wait and take the risky spread QB Mahomes or Webb.
The reasons the Texans could push for JG are many.
a-They are in a win now mode.
b-Great D and some weapons but no QB...No Romo as hoped!
c-So it will cost Texans picks regardless to do for a top tier rookie who maybe the answer
d-Bill O made a statement this week about rookie QBs being a pain.
e-Billy O was forced to take Osweiler which might have led to a bad marriage anyway. What would the BB reaction be if the Krafts forced him to take a player?
f-As said, the learning curve is a familiar one for Jimmy G in Houston system. Makes JG even more attractive.
g-The money this year as a "test" cannot be denied for the Texans CAP. They have a short term "out" unlike Osweiler.
h-The BB and BO friendship maybe a consideration.
i-Both Teams know you have to give something to get something. It has been mentioned little by some very quietly as chatter (or BS). That perhaps a jimmy G and a pick plus JJ Watt. would work? Would a second Texans pick and JJ work? Taboo in Houston??? Not enough?
j-It appears the Pats are in a "let's clobber em" this year mode. Picks are just a nice thought but not a given to contribute this year. Top notch NFL player might excite BB to trade.
k-Back to Watt; It is a gamble on both sides as Watt is back from back surgery and JG is still slightly an unknown but a great talent.
l-The Texans made the playoffs without JJ Watt. They could retain picks if they trade. Jimmy G can be their long term answer and they have some good young D linemen like Clowney.
m-Some say why help a Team that could challenge you in the AFC? BB traded Bledsoe into his own division. BB does not think that way. He has a book on Jimmy G.
11) Would the Browns give enough to end the" Jimmy G is staying" camp? It might not be the Browns, but BB himself is scouting first round talent.
I think there is a deal already done. Some say he might be doing a smoke screen. Same guy (BB) says the day after the Super Bowl he is behind for 2017 already.
Maybe it's Malcom but he can play in 2017 and JGs best option for the Pats is to see him sit in 2017 and not play a snap.
12)Build up enough top picks this year and you can have your choice of the top three good QB class in 2018 for the TB heir. Maybe better talent that Jimmy G. Anyone thought of that yet?
Yep .......you trade him in my opinion.
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