This is why the Patriots won't trade Jimmy G in 2017

[Ring 6]

The bottom line is this.

Plan A- In 2017, if TB12 goes on IR, Jimmy still gives this team a legitimate and realistic shot to compete for a SB.

Plan B- If Jimmy is gone, in 2017 if TB12 goes on IR the team does not have a less-than legitimate shot competing for a SB.

Trading Jimmy G for a bevy of picks for Plan B increases risk.

Keeping Jimmy G in 2017 is the safe play.

Jimmy G isn't winning a super bowl at this stage of his career.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Jimmy G isn't winning a super bowl at this stage of his career.

Which is why I said compete. All depends on the D and the matchups. Chips gotta fall right. With Brady there is more margin for error.

If ****bag Eli, 2015 Peyton, Flacco, Wilson can win so can Jimmy with a great D

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

He will get more than that in the open market.

If he's franchised he's not on the open market. You are Butler's agent aren't you?

 

[Rob0729]

If the Pats don't think he is the QB of the future, it is stupid not to trade him in the next few weeks.

And 2018 is supposed to be a strong QB draft while 2017 is considered one of the weakest in the past decade. The Browns have more picks in their arsenal than any team that might be looking for a QB next year. Right now, Garoppolo is a hot property and next year someone else might be or he might look bad in a game filling in for Brady this upcoming season.

Garoppolo's trade value is likely never going to be higher. If the Pats are not prepared to move on from Brady after the 2017 season, it is stupid to keep Jimmy.

 

[supafly]

He would have to sign the tag and there are big reasons for him not to.


What would be ridiculously stupid would be paying 24 mill for a backup QB.

Well, I'm certainly not suggesting that anyone pay 24m dollars for a backup QB. I'm simply saying that it would be silly to have built such a competitive team this year with zero backup depth. If something happens to Brady, at least Garoppolo would be able to give us a fighting chance.

If the right offer comes along, take it, but I think Belichick is okay with the idea of having adequate backup depth for 2017. Out of the last 10-12 or so picks taken at #12, how many have succeeded anyway? Maybe two or three, and I doubt we'd get a pick that high for him anyway.

As far as him refusing to sign a 24m dollar franchise tag after riding the bench for four seasons.....I'm not sure what to even say about that scenario.

 

[supafly]

Jimmy G isn't winning a super bowl at this stage of his career.

Maybe. Maybe not. But he sure as hell is getting us a lot farther than Jacoby Brissett and at least giving the team a fighting chance with a likely playoff berth.

 

[carmelo15]

Is it possible that Houston would trade Watt for Jimmy cause I would do that.

 

[Ring 6]

If he's franchised he's not on the open market. You are Butler's agent aren't you?

The comment was referring to the fact that he won't sign the tag.

 

[heavyde050]

Maybe. Maybe not. But he sure as hell is getting us a lot farther than Jacoby Brissett and at least giving the team a fighting chance with a likely playoff berth.

Hopefully neither Jimmy or Jacoby are getting the Pats anywhere.
The Pats still have a QB named Tom Brady; he is the Pats best option for 2017.
I get the thought exercise of what would happen if Brady gets hurt or falters next year, but I am guessing if either of those two things happen, the Pats aren't repeating.
The best thing the Pats could do would be to trade Jimmy for at least a first and third this year and hopefully a second next year, so the Pats can draft more defensive players.
I agree they shouldn't just trade Jimmy to trade him, but if BB passes on mulitple early picks just to keep him as a backup, that doesn't seem like the smartest move he will ever make.
Luckily BB is an all-world coach and it will all work out well as long as he is running the show.

 

[supafly]

Hopefully neither Jimmy or Jacoby are getting the Pats anywhere.
The Pats still have a QB named Tom Brady; he is the Pats best option for 2017.
I get the thought exercise of what would happen if Brady gets hurt or falters next year, but I am guessing if either of those two things happen, the Pats aren't repeating.
The best thing the Pats could do would be to trade Jimmy for at least a first and third this year and hopefully a second next year, so the Pats can draft more defensive players.
I agree they shouldn't just trade Jimmy to trade him, but if BB passes on mulitple early picks just to keep him as a backup, that doesn't seem like the smartest move he will ever make.
Luckily BB is an all-world coach and it will all work out well as long as he is running the show.

Yeah, as much as we all can go back and forth, in the end it's in the hands of Bill Belichick, so we're good either way.

I hear you about the low chance of winning the SB should Brady go down and I'd have to imagine that's where Andy is going with it, as well. It is certainly a valid point. I trust in the coaching staff to determine how ready Brissett is (or not), but it's certainly fair to ponder whether or not it may be a bit too early for him to take over just yet.

I also think that a lot of these fan projections about JG's ability to bring in multiple high round picks are completely effed, but we'll see. In the end, he's still something of an unproven backup QB who became injured, so I'd be surprised if a team were willing to part with multiple high round draft choices. I think Belichick would have to weigh the decision based on a first round pick, alone. Of course it's only my personal opinion, and we all feel differently about the situation.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Jimmy G isn't winning a super bowl at this stage of his career.

Speaking in absolutes like this will make you look stupid down the road, when it comes to BB and the Patriots.

The sample size with Jimmy G is too small at this point to know for sure but if he is the guy that we saw tearing up the Dolphins defense in week 2 last year.... you can't win the Super Bowl with that guy? Give me a break. With all of the offensive talent that he would be surrounded by next year, along with what has the potential to be a top 5-10 defense, he definitely, 100% would not be able to pull off a SB victory next year? Give me a break. He's not a rookie anymore. The playbook is second nature to him at this point and BB himself already stated last year that they do not have to change the game plan when he is in at quarterback.

In my opinion, one of the main reasons that the patriots are unlikely to trade Jimmy G is that they believe that he COULD win a Super Bowl for them, if, God forbid, Brady ever goes down. You could not say that for Brissett or any other potential new acquisition (trade/draft/free agent). They have amassed an impressive amount of talent on both sides of the ball and are the overwhelming favorites to repeat next year as Super Bowl champions. Having the chance for a sixth ring down in flames with an injury to your 40-year-old superstar quarterback is bad planning. Not having a viable contingency plan is not the patriot way. Jimmy G is their a contingency plan.

In summary, based upon Jimmy G's limited game film last year along the patriots actions and statements with regard to him, I believe that BB would say that you are misinformed and, frankly, ill-equipped to make such a definitive statement.

Another way of saying this is:



Tough call, but I'll go with BB on this one.

 

[Ring 6]

Speaking in absolutes like this will make you look stupid down the road, when it comes to BB and the Patriots.

The sample size with Jimmy G is too small at this point to know for sure but if he is the guy that we saw tearing up the Dolphins defense in week 2 last year.... you can't win the Super Bowl with that guy? Give me a break. With all of the offensive talent that he would be surrounded by next year, along with what has the potential to be a top 5-10 defense, he definitely, 100% would not be able to pull off a SB victory next year? Give me a break. He's not a rookie anymore. The playbook is second nature to him at this point and BB himself already stated last year that they do not have to change the game plan when he is in at quarterback.

In my opinion, one of the main reasons that the patriots are unlikely to trade Jimmy G is that they believe that he COULD win a Super Bowl for them, if, God forbid, Brady ever goes down. You could not say that for Brissett or any other potential new acquisition (trade/draft/free agent). They have amassed an impressive amount of talent on both sides of the ball and are the overwhelming favorites to repeat next year as Super Bowl champions. Having the chance for a sixth ring down in flames with an injury to your 40-year-old superstar quarterback is bad planning. Not having a viable contingency plan is not the patriot way. Jimmy G is their a contingency plan.

In summary, based upon Jimmy G's limited game film last year along the patriots actions and statements with regard to him, I believe that BB would say that you are misinformed and, frankly, ill-equipped to make such a definitive statement.

Another way of saying this is:



Tough call, but I'll go with BB on this one.

Quite an ironic reference.

Otherwise you are saying a bunch of crap then saying you must be right because you think BB would agree with you despite him not showing his hand yet.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

The comment was referring to the fact that he won't sign the tag.

Yes he would. He'd have no choice.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes he would. He'd have no choice.

Of course he would have a choice.
He can refuse to sign it and threaten to hold our. He can negotiate his own trade and agree to sign it only if he patriots make the trade.
For a guy people think is worth more than the 1st pick in the draft to say he has no choices is silly.

 

[Tunescribe]

Jimmy G isn't winning a super bowl at this stage of his career.

Your'e dismissing him as incapable with the Patriots' present roster?

 

[Ring 6]

Your'e dismissing him as incapable with the Patriots' present roster?

It took the GOAT playing the GOAT game to win by the narrowest margin ever.
The dropoff at the QB position would be too severe for a team that wins BECAUASE OF ITS QB to win a SB with a question mark at the position.

 

[Tunescribe]

It took the GOAT playing the GOAT game to win by the narrowest margin ever.
The dropoff at the QB position would be too severe for a team that wins BECAUASE OF ITS QB to win a SB with a question mark at the position.

That's irrelevant to your statement, unless you meant to say he couldn't have rallied the Pats from down 28-3 vs. Atlanta, in which case I'd agree that no other QB but Brady could've accomplished such a feat. But you said "Garoppolo is incapable of winning a Super Bowl at this stage of his career," which suggests that given the opportunity this coming February there is no way possible he can get it done. If that's what you really meant to say, you're full of nonsense.

 

[jan08]

I love watching AJ in action, he's like Ali at his best. He takes everyone's best shot page after page, round after round and keeps coming back with his own jabs and haymakers. He posts like a butterfly and stings like a bee

 

[PatsBoy12]

I love watching AJ in action, he's like Ali at his best. He takes everyone's best shot page after page, round after round and keeps coming back with his own jabs and haymakers. He posts like a butterfly and stings like a bee

Hi Andy.

 

[Ring 6]

That's irrelevant to your statement, unless you meant to say he couldn't have rallied the Pats from down 28-3 vs. Atlanta, in which case I'd agree that no other QB but Brady could've accomplished such a feat. But you said "Garoppolo is incapable of winning a Super Bowl at this stage of his career," which suggests that given the opportunity this coming February there is no way possible he can get it done. If that's what you really meant to say, you're full of nonsense.

Actually I didn't say incapable I said he isn't winning a SB at this stage of his career.
If you are saying Brady leads them there and gets hurt after winning the afccg then Jimmy steps in for one game anything is possible.
But to think you could replace Brady with garoppolo and won a SB is nonsensical undervaluing of Tom Brady.
You can't replace Tom Brady with a question mark and not miss a beat.