Jacoby Brissett

[Brady6]

The Patriots are a ****ing wagon, in case you've missed it. They could have run Wildcat with Dion Lewis or James White the entire game, and still beat the Texans.

How did he do against Buffalo when he fell behind and had to throw?

Dion Lewis was on PUP. So they couldn’t.

Brissett was 17/27 with 205 yards and an 87 QB rating in that game. Solid performance for a guy starting his second game.

 

[TomPatriot]

The Patriots are a ****ing wagon, in case you've missed it. They could have run Wildcat with Dion Lewis or James White the entire game, and still beat the Texans.

How did he do against Buffalo when he fell behind and had to throw?

He had a broken finger on his throwing hand.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

So, Luck was a .500 QB, and Brissett is a .272 QB with the same team.

This means he's a 'starter' to you?

Brissett has been a massive downgrade from Luck the numbers tell their own story almost everything else on offense is the same.

2016 Colts - 5th ranked passing offense, 8th ranked scoring offense 25.7 PPG

2017 Colts - 27th ranked passing offense, 26th ranked scoring offense 17.7 PPG

 

[Nehalem]

Golly, how did the Colts win ANY games before Brissett got there?

Assuming you mean the 2016 Colts.

They had a "Generational" talent QB in Andrew Luck(who also had the benefit of attending training camp). And didn't have to trade away their #2 WR for a starting QB...

They still only went 8-8.

 

[Simpelton]

He had a broken finger on his throwing hand.

Thumb actually. A broken thumb on his throwing hand. A finger you can tape up and maybe still keep most of your control. A broken thumb, NWIH. There was no way he had any real power or control on his throws. The only reason he was out there is because Jimmy G was hurt even worse.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

He was sacked 8 times today. It is a wonder he has stayed in one piece.

 

[Simpelton]

You don’t know anything about football or how Brissett has played you are just disparaging him an some half ass attempt to not admit the trade was a bust for us.

Oh for..

the trade was NOT a bust for us. We traded an assett we were unable to use or properly develop for an asset we could use and properly develop. The Colts traded an assett they'd failed to use or properly develop for an asset that THEY thought they could use and develop. The fact that the Colts are able to use and develop Brissett is just one more reason why the trade was a good move for both teams.

Brissett would not have played more than a handful of snaps this year. His value HERE was minimal. We traded him to a team that thought they liked his upside, and he's made a dead season slightly more watchable for Colts fans as a result.

We swapped him for what looks like a good little depth WR with some speed. Any time you are competing for the Superbowl and you can trade your backup QB for something that can help you now, unless his name is Steve Young, go for it. grabbing Hoyer to replace Garoppolo made that deal a shoo-in for both sides.

This is what a win win trade looks like. Both teams got a little stronger than they would have been with Tolzein starting for the Colts and one less depth receiver for the Patriots.

 

[Simpelton]

Assuming you mean the 2016 Colts.

They had a "Generational" talent QB in Andrew Luck(who also had the benefit of attending training camp). And didn't have to trade away their #2 WR for a starting QB...

They still only went 8-8.

Exactly. The Colts roster is very weak. Weaker than any roster we ever gave Brady, heckit's weaker than any roster we ever gave Bledsoe unless my memory completely fails me. They have very few reliable names on defense, which is why their defense keeps getting picked apart in the 4th quarter. Their recievers are TY Hilton and a bunch of JAGs. Their offensive line is made of bowling pins. Their running back is literally Methuselah.

No facet of the Colts franchise as it currently exists is average or above.

And a quarterback with several flaws in his game and average upside that he hasn't reached yet is supposed to turn this team into the Montana 49ers? Come the F on.

Even with Tom "God" Brady as their quarterback that team would struggle to win games. Why the hell are people demanding that a guy no one thinks is better than an average starter at best has to win more games than he loses with crap for a roster or else he "sucks?"

You guys are making my brain implode.

 

[rochrist]

He is 23 years old starting his 10th career game. He went to the team he is starting for a the first week of the season. He has played well and you should all stop diminishing his play simply to try and make it look like it wasn’t a bad decision by Belichick. He traded a starting QB for a guy who has 7 receptions this season, can we be logical for a second and just consider that reality.

Yeah, no. He hasn't played well. His play has been, at best, the very definition of mediocre.

 

[Angelpats]

Brissett has been a massive downgrade from Luck the numbers tell their own story almost everything else on offense is the same.

2016 Colts - 5th ranked passing offense, 8th ranked scoring offense 25.7 PPG

2017 Colts - 27th ranked passing offense, 26th ranked scoring offense 17.7 PPG

This is really unfair for Brissett. This is a whole new offense for him. No camp or familiarity. I would say 17.7ppg with that line and team and the situation, it's respectable.

 

[luuked]

You don’t know anything about football or how Brissett has played you are just disparaging him an some half ass attempt to not admit the trade was a bust for us.

This is getting to the point where it is absurd. Dorsett is a solid contributor as many have pointed out in the role that he has. While at the same time the Colts media is slowly realizing the very same limitations of JB that made the Patriots move on from him:



The trade was anything but a bust for us. You know what trade was a bust ? Coleman + 1 for Marsh.. that is a bust. JB for Dorsett gave us a solid player and emergency depth for Cooks on a rookie contract. You are just looking at the bottomline without any context.

 

[DarrylS]

Yeah, no. He hasn't played well. His play has been, at best, the very definition of mediocre.

That is why the Pats let him go, they did not see significant progress during TC this year and instead of just letting him go, they did get something back for him..

It was strongly rumored that he would have been cut at the end of TC...

 

[Simpelton]

Why are you people being so dramatic? If a good trade hadn't shown up Brissett still wouldn't be cut because of the uncertainty with Garoppolo's future. However you want to disparage Brissett he still showed his competence as a backup last year, did a great job after being thrust into games despite only a few weeks of NFL practices.

They knew they were probably about to move on from Garoppolo as the primary backup, if they hadn't found a deal that mitigated the risk by providing immediate improvement to the roster, they would not have traded Brissett. The Colts agreed to a trade that was worth assuming the risk of not having a longterm backup, and then they scored by being able to secure Hoyer after the Garoppolo trade, which was kind of the best case scenario to deal with the exposure the Brissett trade risked.

Basically there were a ton of moving parts in the decision when it came to Brissett, and I doubt any of them involved Brissett "sucking" or in any way disappointing the Patriots. Everyone already knew he had limited upside due to his mediocre accuracy, but he stood in the breach when Garoppolo got hurt and showed some rock solid intangibles, which has a lot to do with why the Colts were interested in him as a gap filler until Luck returned to health.

 

[Brady6]

This is getting to the point where it is absurd. Dorsett is a solid contributor as many have pointed out in the role that he has. While at the same time the Colts media is slowly realizing the very same limitations of JB that made the Patriots move on from him:



The trade was anything but a bust for us. You know what trade was a bust ? Coleman + 1 for Marsh.. that is a bust. JB for Dorsett gave us a solid player and emergency depth for Cooks on a rookie contract. You are just looking at the bottomline without any context.

He is 16th in QB rating, 18th in yards, and only 3 QBs have thrown less interceptions than him. PFF grades him higher than Manning, Roethlisberger, Mariota, Palmer, Newton, Keenum, and others.

We sent the Colts that player, in return we received a player who has 7 receptions in 11 games for 140 yards.

So a second year player with 10 starts under his belt, who was coming out of concussion protocol, had no offseason or training camp with his current team, and is playing behind the worst OL in the NFL missed an open guy trying to avoid a sack. That is what they noticed, those are the limitations you speak of. Seems they also notice his rapid development.

You know what is really a bust? A former first round WR who is in his 3rd season and has 7 receptions through 11 games. That is a bust.

 

[luuked]

He is 16th in QB rating, 18th in yards, and only 3 QBs have thrown less interceptions than him. PFF grades him higher than Manning, Roethlisberger, Mariota, Palmer, Newton, Keenum, and others.

We sent the Colts that player, in return we received a player who has 7 receptions in 11 games for 140 yards.

So a second year player with 10 starts under his belt, who was coming out of concussion protocol, had no offseason or training camp with his current team, and is playing behind the worst OL in the NFL missed an open guy trying to avoid a sack. That is what they noticed, those are the limitations you speak of. Seems they also notice his rapid development.

You know what is really a bust? A former first round WR who is in his 3rd season and has 7 receptions through 11 games. That is a bust.

Which is pretty much what is expected from his role on the team. What is so difficult to understand about that ? Do you think they can just magically created targets out of their ass ? Or do you seriously want fewer targets to go to Cooks, Gronk, Lewis & co ?

JB at this point is lucky if he one day even becomes a journeyman QB. Whats most likely is that he will be a career backup until he flames out somewhere after his rookie contract with the Colts ends and he moves on.

I think somewhere in your mind JB was worth more than a 5th or 6th round pick which is hilarious.

 

[Brady6]

Which is pretty much what is expected from his role on the team. What is so difficult to understand about that ? Do you think they can just magically created targets out of their ass ? Or do you seriously want fewer targets to go to Cooks, Gronk, Lewis & co ?

JB at this point is lucky if he one day even becomes a journeyman QB. Whats most likely is that he will be a career backup until he flames out somewhere after his rookie contract with the Colts ends and he moves on.

I think somewhere in your mind JB was worth more than a 5th or 6th round pick which is hilarious.

Wow you must be really down on Belichicks ability to draft players. You think his third round pick was going to either be cut or traded for a late round pick. You must boo his picks.

Bennett has 6 catches in 2 games since he was claimed. Hogan has been out of 3 weeks.

Let me ask you this, would they have gotten touches to Edelman?

 

[luuked]

Wow you must be really down on Belichicks ability to draft players. You think his third round pick was going to either be cut or traded for a late round pick. You must boo his picks.

Bennett has 6 catches in 2 games since he was claimed. Hogan has been out of 3 weeks.

Let me ask you this, would they have gotten touches to Edelman?

I dont understand your entire first paragraph. First of all who cares where he was drafted. He can be a first rounder for all I care. We are not the Broncos with an incompetent bozo GM who keeps his QBs just because they were high draft picks.

JB clearly didnt develop into a player that was capable of running this offense. I mean if you dont see the difference between where JG was in year 2 and JB then there is not much to talk about.

And you are comparing apples to oranges because none of Bennetts routes have anything to do with Dorsett. You mentioning Hogan actually pretty much makes my point because despite him being out for weeks we could run 3+ WR sets without any decrease in production.

Edelman would have obviously absorbed most of the Dola and then some from Gronk, Cooks and RBs. You are not really making the point you are trying to do.

 

[Brady6]

I dont understand your entire first paragraph. First of all who cares where he was drafted. He can be a first rounder for all I care. We are not the Broncos with an incompetent bozo GM who keeps his QBs just because they were high draft picks.

JB clearly didnt develop into a player that was capable of running this offense. I mean if you dont see the difference between where JG was in year 2 and JB then there is not much to talk about.

And you are comparing apples to oranges because none of Bennetts routes have anything to do with Dorsett. You mentioning Hogan actually pretty much makes my point because despite him being out for weeks we could run 3+ WR sets without any decrease in production.

Edelman would have obviously absorbed most of the Dola and then some from Gronk, Cooks and RBs. You are not really making the point you are trying to do.

You make a lot of excuses. Doesn’t change the outcome however, the Colts still won that trade. A starting QB for a depth WR is a bad trade. You could ask a 6 year old who just watched his first nfl game and he would grasp that.

You are all over the place. So we would have kept Edelman involved, we are able to involve Bennett, but Dorsett is the exception. Your excuses are weak. I mention Hogan because there are 7-8 targets a game that would have went to him over the past 3 weeks that still aren’t going to Dorsett. A solid contributor as you call him would have stepped up and filled a Hogan’s void, Dorsett has not.

 

[ivanvamp]

Brissett is only a "starting QB" because their starting QB got hurt. Brissett is not a *real* starting QB.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I really don't understand the jihad here dumping on inexperienced Brissett who...

1. had ZERO training camp with the Clots
2. started his 1st several games having no knowledge of the offense
3. joined a team whose GM was busy trimming its roster to TANK the season
4. joined a bad team with a proven atrocious OL
5. despite all the above, ranks just below the middle of the pack of NFL QB performance

It's guys like BB who emphasize how important training camp is especially for inexperienced players