Incognito suspended indefinitely by Dolphins

[Tunescribe]

Incognito's alleged pattern of belittling and then defending Martin is the hallmark of an abusive relationship, as is Martin's (again) alleged attempts to appease his (and once again)alleged tormentor.

It's a well documented pattern of behavior. Whether it is applicable in this instance cannot be definitively determined without more information.

(Fear not. Inspector Goodell and his kangaroo court are on the case.)

I'll be surprised if what Goodell comes up with is reasonable and not an overreaction.

 

[shmessy]

I'll be surprised if what Goodell comes up with is reasonable and not an overreaction.

I know everyone here hates Goodell, but he really is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't predicament" with this one.

There literally is no adjudication he can make on this (barring some kind of huge smoking gun revelation that comes out) that will not piss off at least 40% of those watching.

 

[Ring 6]

Incognito's alleged pattern of belittling and then defending Martin is the hallmark of an abusive relationship, as is Martin's (again) alleged attempts to appease his (and once again)alleged tormentor.

It's a well documented pattern of behavior. Whether it is applicable in this instance cannot be definitively determined without more information.

(Fear not. Inspector Goodell and his kangaroo court are on the case.)

But you are assuming what the relationship and behavior are.
There is no known pattern of belittling or defending.
Martin's impression of Incognito and their relationship is 100% assumed at this point. Martin has said nothing about it other than releasing a voicemail and sending a text to Incognito saying he was cool with him.

People have made the assumption from the voice mail that their relationship was such that Martin found the voicemail disgusting and hurtful.
From that assumption, they conclude him playing it in the lockerroom and laughing along, and him sending the text saying he was cool with RI must be "PSTD from bullying" because the assumption of disgust and hatred by Martin toward RI is taken as fact. I have not seen enough to accept that. There is more evidence they were really friends than that Martin was harrassed and bullied and feigned friendship to lessen the grief.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I know everyone here hates Goodell, but he really is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't predicament" with this one.

There literally is no adjudication he can make on this (barring some kind of huge smoking gun revelation that comes out) that will not piss off at least 40% of those watching.

Yes
That's the good thing about this situation

 

[Fencer]

I think the sticking point is saying that the close relationship is evidence of bullying. Not that you said that, but that was the discussion.

I didn't notice anybody saying that.

What I was arguing is that a close relationship isn't DISPROOF of bullying.

 

[Fencer]

I entered into this saying I am surprised people are reaching a conclusion without all the facts.

As written, that's an idiotic thing for you to have said, since I know for a fact you've been online for longer than 3 weeks.

 

[IcyPatriot]

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I find this topic nauseating ... grade school sandbox fighting IMO.

 

[shmessy]

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I find this topic nauseating ... grade school sandbox fighting IMO.

The Dolphins are 2.5 games behind the Pats. I'm willing to truck over more sand.

 

[Gronkandez]

if anything Glazer did his reputation a disservice with this interview. His personal relationship with RI should have disqualified him from doing this interview. Glazer can certain pitch softballs with the best of them. Whatever that interview was, it was not journalism.

This was about RI giving his side of the story. It was not intended to be hard hitting interview. I'm sure Glazer would give Martin the same chance if he was willing to do it.

 

[Zeus]

But you are assuming what the relationship and behavior are.
There is no known pattern of belittling or defending.
Martin's impression of Incognito and their relationship is 100% assumed at this point. Martin has said nothing about it other than releasing a voicemail and sending a text to Incognito saying he was cool with him.

People have made the assumption from the voice mail that their relationship was such that Martin found the voicemail disgusting and hurtful.
From that assumption, they conclude him playing it in the lockerroom and laughing along, and him sending the text saying he was cool with RI must be "PSTD from bullying" because the assumption of disgust and hatred by Martin toward RI is taken as fact. I have not seen enough to accept that. There is more evidence they were really friends than that Martin was harrassed and bullied and feigned friendship to lessen the grief.

Read my post again. I have assumed nothing.

 

[Zeus]

I'll be surprised if what Goodell comes up with is reasonable and not an overreaction.

I would be shocked.

 

[Froob]

Apparently Incognito is a heat fan, he's a much bigger dbag than I thought he was.

 

[Gronkandez]

Incognito's alleged pattern of belittling and then defending Martin is the hallmark of an abusive relationship, as is Martin's (again) alleged attempts to appease his (and once again)alleged tormentor.

It's a well documented pattern of behavior. Whether it is applicable in this instance cannot be definitively determined without more information.

(Fear not. Inspector Goodell and his kangaroo court are on the case.)

You are disrespecting Martin by making it out that he's a seven year old boy being held captive by a predator.

Ps. John Martin is a full grown man. You have to be stron physically and mentally to play in th NFL. Martin lost his job and had trouble dealing with it and thats possibly the real reason he left the team.

 

[Zeus]

You are disrespecting Martin by making it out that he's a seven year old boy being held captive by a predator.

Ps. John Martin is a full grown man. You have to be stron physically and mentally to play in th NFL. Martin lost his job and had trouble dealing with it and thats possibly the real reason he left the team.

Read my post again. I'm not being disrespectful of either Incognito or Martin.

Does anybody here know what the word alleged means?

 

[Deus Irae]

Incognito's alleged pattern of belittling and then defending Martin is the hallmark of an abusive relationship, as is Martin's (again) alleged attempts to appease his (and once again)alleged tormentor.

It's a well documented pattern of behavior. Whether it is applicable in this instance cannot be definitively determined without more information.

(Fear not. Inspector Goodell and his kangaroo court are on the case.)

It's the hallmark of a couple of friends who like to bust balls, too. When it comes to psychology, everything is a 'well documented pattern of behavior' for everything.

 

[Deus Irae]

..... and we all now know that Stephen Ross is full of crap:

"I was appalled. I think anybody would be appalled," Ross said. "When you first read that text that was reported, to me I didn't realize people would talk, text or speak that way."

Jonathan Martin, Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross to meet - ESPN

Pull the other one, Stephen, and it plays Jingle Bells.

 

[Zeus]

It's the hallmark of a couple of friends who like to bust balls, too. When it comes to psychology, everything is a 'well documented pattern of behavior' for everything.

Absolutley true. As I said in my post , "Whether it is applicable in this instance cannot be definitively determined without more information."

 

[Zeus]

It's the hallmark of a couple of friends who like to bust balls, too. When it comes to psychology, everything is a 'well documented pattern of behavior' for everything.

..... and we all now know that Stephen Ross is full of crap:



Jonathan Martin, Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross to meet - ESPN

Pull the other one, Stephen, and it plays Jingle Bells.

One of life's great mysteries is how Stephen Ross made a gazillion dollars, because, truth be told, he doesn't seem to have much of a clue about anything at all.

 

[Deus Irae]

Absolutley true. As I said in my post , "Whether it is applicable in this instance cannot be definitively determined without more information."

I hear you. People seemed to be jumping on you, and I was trying to clarify your point by accentuating the vagaries about all things psychological. My apologies if I further muddled the waters. That was not my intent.

 

[Joker]

One of life's great mysteries is how Stephen Ross made a gazillion dollars, because, truth be told, he doesn't seem to have much of a clue about anything at all.