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    The wisest course of action.

    What is communicated is not what is said, but what is heard. Once you've said something, people can and will interpret it any way they chose.

    So anyone using the term runs the risk of offending others even if that is not their intention. Why bother taking that risk? Whatever Incognito's intentions were, life for him would be a good bit simpler right now if he had not said what he said. That's life.
     
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    Black people have turned/tried to turn the word into something positive. It's almost the reverse of how the nazi's turned this [​IMG] positive Hindu symbol into something vile and hateful.
     
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    I am not so sure I see proof that the majority of black people, and especially black leaders are attempting to turn that word into a positive one.

    What originally was a symbol of auspiciousness is now a symbol of genocide through no fault of its own, yet we do not use it because of what it symbolizes to people in general, and likewise, the same is true for that word if only just because of the history behind it.
     
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    No, it's not comparable. The reason it isn't comparable is that the non-offensive uses are, in large part, still laced with irony -- insults between friends in a tone that makes them not insulting at all.

    Incognito WAS insulting Martin when he called him a "half-nigger". The only serious dispute is as to whether it was a joking buddy insult, a serious one, or perhaps both at once.

    What I'm saying isn't absolute. But even if you turn out to be right, it's still early days in the changing usage of the term. And there's still way too much straightforward use, e.g. https://twitter.com/Kriegsson
     
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    actually, that is a Tibetan symbol...not Hindu...here's the table

    [​IMG]

    here's the Wiki link on the Vril Society with annotations regarding the cultural swastika archetypes...

    Vril - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Incognito says in grievance that Dolphins didn?t give him... | www.palmbeachpost.com
     
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    Looks like Turner is headed under the bus. The NFLPA will pile on the management guy thereby avoiding the Hobson's choice between 2 players they represent.
     
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    Incognito should win his grievance. If his employers thought what he was doing was so detrimental, they should have told him earlier.

    If they'd benched him with pay pending an investigation, they would have covered their legal butts without throwing him unfairly under the bus. "He went somewhat too far; we're investigating to see whether it's even worse than we realize" is a stance that they could have recovered well from no matter what happened next.

    To repeat re the racist language -- using racist language isn't always wrong, but it is always risky. Use it in the workplace and you deserve to come under scrutiny as to whether you've gone too far.
     
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    Somewhere Bill Parcells is watching all of this and thanking god he got out of the game when he did.



    TERRY GLENN FILES GRIEVANCE AGAINST PARCELLS AND THE PATRIOTS "He called me she......."
     
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    Looks like the story is not the only thing to have grown to epic proportions...
     
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