Matt Patricia no longer employed by the Pats.

[Betterthanmost]

Taking that offense roll was a lose lose situation for him. He might be done for a while. Had very little to gain. If the offense had done well, it will have been said that it was all Mac. If it sputtered, it will be heavily blamed on Patricia.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It does appear as though they sat in a conference room, came up with a new offensive plan, and mistakenly thought it would work. On the other hand, that seems unlike BB so it is all very odd.

Patricia is smart and I think he works well behind another guy, like BB or Payton. Not sure Patricia should he out in front leading. Not Judge leading either.

Only explanation is BB was hammered at the time.

 

[maust]

Only explanation is BB was hammered at the time.

Cue footage...

 

[Ring 6]

They did change the system. That's what made putting Fat Matt and Judge in charge of rolling it out and adoption so mystifying.

If they didn't want to change it they would have promoted Caley but for multiple reasons they didn't.

No they didn’t change the system. Everything they did was within the framework of the system. They started out trying to use more outside zone runs. That’s not changing the system, those plays were always part of the system. Ultimately they moved away from that, using them with a frequency more consistent to what they have done in the past. The plays Patricia was choosing from were the same plays Josh McDaniel was choosing from for years.

 

[Steve102]

I have always been a strong supporter of BB. I believe he knows Patricia wasn't the problem, maybe some, but not 100% not 50% maybe 25%.

Jones is not the QB everyone thinks he is.

Read this:

Matt Patricia deserves better than what he has gotten from the Patriots - The Boston Globe



Save Patricia, stand up Bill he is your friend

The Globe

They never miss a chance to throw shade on the Pats. John Henry: principal owner of the Red Sox and The Globe.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No they didn’t change the system. Everything they did was within the framework of the system. They started out trying to use more outside zone runs. That’s not changing the system, those plays were always part of the system. Ultimately they moved away from that, using them with a frequency more consistent to what they have done in the past. The plays Patricia was choosing from were the same plays Josh McDaniel was choosing from for years.

They changed terminology. Mat Cassel said they ran the same crap as 15 years ago but changed other stuff. Also took away Mac's ability to call protections

 

[Ring 6]

They changed terminology. Mat Cassel said they ran the same crap as 15 years ago but changed other stuff. Also took away Mac's ability to call protections

Terminology isn’t “the offense”

 

[RobertWeathers]

Terminology isn’t “the offense”

Terminology drives how everything is interconnected and executed. Routes, protections, etc.

When you change the terminology, you change the structure of the play and what is done.

Here is an example.

Two Concepts in One: The Erhardt Perkins Playcalling Language

So far in this series on playcalling languages, we’ve looked at the language structures of the Coryell, West Coast, and Air Raid offenses. Today we’ll be looking at the last NFL language: the...

www.dawgsbynature.com

Here is what the post mortem was.

Report: Last season’s dysfunction in the Patriots offense was deep-seated

Last season was the worst by a Patriots offense in over 20 seasons with the issues starting early on in training camp.

www.boston.com

 

[Ring 6]

Terminology drives how everything is interconnected and executed. Routes, protections, etc.

When you change the terminology, you change the structure of the play and what is done.

Here is an example.

Two Concepts in One: The Erhardt Perkins Playcalling Language

So far in this series on playcalling languages, we’ve looked at the language structures of the Coryell, West Coast, and Air Raid offenses. Today we’ll be looking at the last NFL language: the...

www.dawgsbynature.com

Here is what the post mortem was.

Report: Last season’s dysfunction in the Patriots offense was deep-seated

Last season was the worst by a Patriots offense in over 20 seasons with the issues starting early on in training camp.

www.boston.com

I disagree.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I disagree.

OK

 

[Real fan 02]

Only explanation is BB was hammered at the time.

Does anyone know what exactly is judges role with the team?.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Does anyone know what exactly is judges role with the team?.

My belief is he was QB coach plus other quality control functions/ Mr Helper.

At this point I hope he sticks to STs

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Does anyone know what exactly is judges role with the team?.

To be annoying.

Don't underrate it; in football it's good to be at least a little salty.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

No they didn’t change the system. Everything they did was within the framework of the system. They started out trying to use more outside zone runs. That’s not changing the system, those plays were always part of the system. Ultimately they moved away from that, using them with a frequency more consistent to what they have done in the past. The plays Patricia was choosing from were the same plays Josh McDaniel was choosing from for years.

Matty P looked like a pretty good OC when Zappe was in there.

Until he stopped calling running plays in the second half when we were (gasp!) behind on the scoreboard to the hapless Bears.

 

[FCB02062]

Bill going on full offensive vs Krafty Bob...first he's getting all hot and bothered by the awesomeness of Oakland's facility, and then today, wow, he or one of his foot soldiers feeds this whopper to Volin and NESN picked up on it... r.e Fatt Matt as OC: “And it also was indirectly a favor to the Krafts, who didn’t have to pay an offensive coordinator in 2022, as Patricia finished out the final year of his five-year deal with the Lions.”

Patriots Rumors: Why Matt Patricia Was Offensive Play-Caller In 2022

 

[1960Pats]

That is not how budgets at Kraft Entertainment work. If you do not understand that is OK, but spare as your guesses and conjecture.

Since you're in-the-know let me know what exactly does Kraft Entertainment have to do with the football budget?

 

[1960Pats]

I wouldn’t begin to judge someone’s personality that I have ever met by snippets from people who didn’t get along with them.

Are you kidding? You judge folks here everyday.
Look at all the kisses that get thrown around about Bill. You're buying those aren't you? I am. I haven't met the guy but he seems to be very well liked by his players.
Unfortunately for MP there are a few players talking negatively and they actually spent much time with him, unlike us and Bill. I'll have to go back and look at all the players who sent Patricia kisses. I bet there aren't many of those, even though I never met the guy

 

[1960Pats]

Then that's on Kraft not BB, if he has to work on the confines of a budget, he has to allocate that as efficient as he can.

That makes sense.

 

[archstanton543]

Bill going on full offensive vs Krafty Bob...first he's getting all hot and bothered by the awesomeness of Oakland's facility, and then today, wow, he or one of his foot soldiers feeds this whopper to Volin and NESN picked up on it... r.e Fatt Matt as OC: “And it also was indirectly a favor to the Krafts, who didn’t have to pay an offensive coordinator in 2022, as Patricia finished out the final year of his five-year deal with the Lions.”

Patriots Rumors: Why Matt Patricia Was Offensive Play-Caller In 2022

You're letting your bias color your opinion. There is no Kraft vs. BB. Yes, I'm sure they have their disagreements like everyone does but if there was that big of rift, BB would be gone.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Are you kidding? You judge folks here everyday.
Look at all the kisses that get thrown around about Bill. You're buying those aren't you? I am. I haven't met the guy but he seems to be very well liked by his players.
Unfortunately for MP there are a few players talking negatively and they actually spent much time with him, unlike us and Bill. I'll have to go back and look at all the players who sent Patricia kisses. I bet there aren't many of those, even though I never met the guy

I throw Matty kisses for the hat he was wearing.

And the clown nose T shirt too.

And it's not his fault Mac sucks.