Peter King -One on One with Brady

[Ring 6]

They played cap games to get his number down to $21.5m.

Apparently, if we listen to the naysayers around here, it will be impossible to play cap games this year. The "why" of it is a mystery to me, but...

Couple of things on this.
They reduced his cap number by 5.5 mill while also giving him a $9 mill raise for 2019.

2020 is the last year of the cba so money pushed beyond that may have an entirely different value (potentially large cap increase).

The Patriots 2020 cap could increase significantly based upon incentives earned or not earned and the likely conclusion of the hernandez issue and possible resolution of the ab bonus.

finally whenever thinking about the cap it’s always a great idea to go over to bsj and read Miguel. very informative.

 

[Ring 6]

unless you’re planning on tanking for a year post Brady, it’s a 2 year deal tops and you can’t fudge that much in this situation

You can fudge whatever you want up to the limit of how much future cap money you want to borrow.
If you sign a 4 year deal and are willing to accept 10 mill a year of dead money in 2022 and 2023 you can save 20 million in 2020 or between 2020 and 2021.
With the cba ending borrowing against the future cap is probably more attractive now than ever.

 

[IllegalContact]

You can fudge whatever you want up to the limit of how much future cap money you want to borrow.
If you sign a 4 year deal and are willing to accept 10 mill a year of dead money in 2022 and 2023 you can save 20 million in 2020 or between 2020 and 2021.
With the cba ending borrowing against the future cap is probably more attractive now than ever.

it would be sheer stupidity to mortgage the future for a 42 year old

 

[Ring 6]

it would be sheer stupidity to mortgage the future for a 42 year old

No. If you want to take some of his cap hit and push it into a future year when the cap will be higher and your QBs will probably be cheap that’s sound. It’s not mortgaging the future, it’s managing the cap.

 

[PatsWSB47]

No. The issue hasn't been suspension. The issue has been the exempt list.


In other words, the issue has been with yet another part of the CBA that the players have screwed up in granting to the NFL.

Yes

No. The issue hasn't been suspension. The issue has been the exempt list.


In other words, the issue has been with yet another part of the CBA that the players have screwed up in granting to the NFL.

Yes i realize my mistake now but its a difference without distinction to my point which was he wouldnt have been able to play anyway. You're right regarding the CBA. What a piece of crap agreement that turned out to be.

 

[venecol]

I said if a REASONABLE offer is made he takes it. So perhaps you don’t understand that’s word. Reasonable means one that is at least in the realm of fair.
If he dirsbt get an offer or asked to play for backup money, he will retire. He won’t play anywhere else. if the patriots want him back he comes back. If they don’t he retires.

This sounds like Kraft's take, that 1. He hopes he plays for Pats, or 2. He retires.

Kraft said that Brady insisted on removing the tag so that "Brady" could be "free" and decide what to do. Yet, you imply his future is entirely up to the Patriots making a reasonable offer or he retires. To better understand what you are saying lets use an example:

1. Brady made about $23M in 2019;
2. The 2020 QB franchise tag is just under $27M.
3. If team offers him $20M is that reasonable? So he either takes a hair cut in pay or retires?
4. If another team offers him $28-30M he will retire, even though he feels he can continue to play "at a championship level?"

Why would he insist on being allowed to be a FA if he was just going to let the team decide his future? That doesn't make much sense.

 

[Doctor DDS]

The Patriots obviously played hardball with Brady last off-season by refusing to give him the multi-year deal he was looking for. They did give him the extra money plus the ability to better control his future. I can understand Brady wanting a 3 year deal as it shows that the team has both short and long term confidence in him but I side with the Patriots on their approach. Unfortunately for Brady he did not have a great year and has lost some leverage. I'd do the same thing this year if I am the Pats - offer a 1 year deal, include some manageable incentives and bring him back if he'll take it. Try and keep the cap hit around $20M. My gut tells me that if Brady is able to get a real 3 year deal elsewhere with financial guarantees and a location/roster he finds appealing he will likely leave.

My hope - he is back on 1 year deal. Unless he has a major resurgence the Pats position themselves to move on in 2021 (hopefully Stidham is ready to take over)

 

[Ring 6]

This sounds like Kraft's take, that 1. He hopes he plays for Pats, or 2. He retires.

Kraft said that Brady insisted on removing the tag so that "Brady" could be "free" and decide what to do. Yet, you imply his future is entirely up to the Patriots making a reasonable offer or he retires. To better understand what you are saying lets use an example:

1. Brady made about $23M in 2019;
2. The 2020 QB franchise tag is just under $27M.
3. If team offers him $20M is that reasonable? So he either takes a hair cut in pay or retires?
4. If another team offers him $28-30M he will retire, even though he feels he can continue to play "at a championship level?"

Why would he insist on being allowed to be a FA if he was just going to let the team decide his future? That doesn't make much sense.

It’s not an exercise in logic, connecting the dots and analyzing every word said or action taken. It’s my feeling that when push comes to shove if he can’t work out a deal to stay here he won’t play anywhere else.
Clearly none of us know, I’m just stating my instinct.

 

[venecol]

It’s not an exercise in logic, connecting the dots and analyzing every word said or action taken. It’s my feeling that when push comes to shove if he can’t work out a deal to stay here he won’t play anywhere else.
Clearly none of us know, I’m just stating my instinct.

That's fine, I'm just curious what you think a reasonable offer may be. Some posters are implying that he should only be re-signed for $15M. I think the team can afford $28M, which seems reasonable (using cap magic and voidable years).

I would like to see him back since I don't see why he should retire if he doesn't want to (and doubt he will even with a not so reasonable offer).

 

[venecol]

The Patriots obviously played hardball with Brady last off-season by refusing to give him the multi-year deal he was looking for. They did give him the extra money plus the ability to better control his future. I can understand Brady wanting a 3 year deal as it shows that the team has both short and long term confidence in him but I side with the Patriots on their approach. Unfortunately for Brady he did not have a great year and has lost some leverage. I'd do the same thing this year if I am the Pats - offer a 1 year deal, include some manageable incentives and bring him back if he'll take it. Try and keep the cap hit around $20M. My gut tells me that if Brady is able to get a real 3 year deal elsewhere with financial guarantees and a location/roster he finds appealing he will likely leave.

My hope - he is back on 1 year deal. Unless he has a major resurgence the Pats position themselves to move on in 2021 (hopefully Stidham is ready to take over)

This all sounds good from the team's perspective, but if Brady agrees to the same type of deal as last year, he would be putting himself at the team's mercy for next year given he will be a year older (44 when season starts). This would make him way less marketable to other teams at that time.

I think that if Brady actually wants to play to 45 and believes he can (I don't see any apparent drop off in his physical abilities); then he will be looking for a multi-year deal with anyone to ensure he can meet his goals. The cost of that is unknown.

 

[Ring 6]

That's fine, I'm just curious what you think a reasonable offer may be. Some posters are implying that he should only be resigned for $15M. I think the team can afford $28M, which seems reasonable (using cap magic and voidable years).

I would like to see him back since I don't see why he should retire if he doesn't want to (and doubt he will even with a not so reasonable offer).

Well last year they gave him an extra 9 mill to bring him in line with other QBs in terms of cash in hand. I think keeping him in line 25 mill new $. They agreed on 30 mill in last years contract for a reason, it wasn’t just out of the blue. So I’d expect some where in that range with cap math making the hit 20 to 25 which is 11-16 lower than is on the books now, and only 7-12 more than cutting him.

 

[Ring 6]

This all sounds good from the team's perspective, but if Brady agrees to the same type of deal as last year, he would be putting himself at the team's mercy for next year given he will be a year older (44 when season starts). This would make him way less marketable to other teams at that time.

I think that if Brady actually wants to play to 45 and believes he can (I don't see any apparent drop off in his physical abilities); then he will be looking for a multi-year deal with anyone to ensure he can meet his goals. The cost of that is unknown.

I don’t think Brady cares about marketability. I think he recognizes that at 43 the equivalent of a series of 1 year deals is fair.

 

[203Pat]

I don’t think Brady cares about marketability. I think he recognizes that at 43 the equivalent of a series of 1 year deals is fair.

Lol

 

[venecol]

I don’t think Brady cares about marketability. I think he recognizes that at 43 the equivalent of a series of 1 year deals is fair.

I mean, of course he cares about marketability because of his TB12 brand. My point was that it is way less likely they reach another 1 year deal for 2021 than it is for this year, thus he would insist on a multi- year deal with someone (preferably the Pats).

 

[Ring 6]

I mean, of course he cares about marketability because of his TB12 brand. My point was that it is way less likely they reach another 1 year deal for 2021 than it is for this year, thus he would insist on a multi- year deal with someone (preferably the Pats).

I mean marketability in her vein of how you used it, contract leverage in the future.
I think negotiating power in 2021 or 2022 isn’t a big worry. He’s looking to hang on not score the huge final contract.
Regardless of the length of the contract if they didn’t want him back in 2021 they would just release him.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I mean, of course he cares about marketability because of his TB12 brand. My point was that it is way less likely they reach another 1 year deal for 2021 than it is for this year, thus he would insist on a multi- year deal with someone (preferably the Pats).

BB wants a 1 year deal, Brady wants a 2-3 year deal. Patriots have negotiating power since Brady will be 43.

 

[203Pat]

Just saw Brady’s Facebook post and it reads like a guy who doesn’t fully expect to be back.

 

[Guts]

Just saw Brady’s Facebook post and it reads like a guy who doesn’t fully expect to be back.

I'm the opposite I read that as a sign of him definitely coming back

 

[203Pat]

I mean, of course he cares about marketability because of his TB12 brand. My point was that it is way less likely they reach another 1 year deal for 2021 than it is for this year, thus he would insist on a multi- year deal with someone (preferably the Pats).

Only a fool would think he doesn’t care about marketability. He literally has his own brand. He has numerous endorsement deal. He is married to a supermodel. He attends the met gala and those types of things.

 

[BadMoFo]

Just saw Brady’s Facebook post and it reads like a guy who doesn’t fully expect to be back.

Oh please, all he's saying is he will be playing next season.