NFL Coaching News: They didn't even wait until Black Monday to start the beheadings

[Joey007]

They took a chance in gase and learned he isn’t a good Hc. Now they will take a shot in someone else. That’s how it works.
You don’t stick with a loser because “you don’t see options out there”

So you’re taking Miami’s front office opinion in good faith? You realize how dysfunctional this organization has been over the last 20 years, right?

 

[Tony2046]

There is a lot more to it then lingo.

To ask Tom to run a different system or a coordinator who is a West Coast offense guy to be better than Tom with EP is not realistic

Examining All The Different NFL Offensive Systems

Dude!! Did you just 101 my ass?? haha

I didn't say change the philosophy or the lingo.

Any play in one system can be run in any system. EP, AC, WC or whatever. It's the terminology that changes.

Find a guy who is better than most at finding creative ways to attack various defenses and hire that guy. The lingo is secondary.

Again this is just my opinion.

 

[Ring 6]

So you’re taking Miami’s front office opinion in good faith? You realize how dysfunctional this organization has been over the last 20 years, right?

I take gase’s performance and judge him on it.
My judgment is he did a bad job, I don’t base that on Miami deciding to fire him.
I put little if any credence in excuses. Everyone who fails has a boatload of them, mostly all the same things those who succeed work around or overcome.

 

[Love The Drake]

Trying to get the thread back under control what if good friend Shane Waldron left the Rams where he doesnt call plays to come back here as offensive coordinator.
At this time I'm almost on a anybody but Oshea parade.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Gase supported giving tannehill the contract

You are saying Gase is blameless because players left, but those players left because of issues with him.
And again there was very little turnover.

Are you ignoring that Tannehill went on IR in 2017, they had Cutler, traded Ajayi and Landry left?

I never said Gase was blameless. I did say Tannenbaum deserves a ton of blame.

He was misused.
You said gase was handicapped because Landry was traded but when it was because gase misuses him its “blah blah”? You aren’t being honest with yourself here.

He didn't misuse him. He actually had better numbers in MIA than he did in CLE. Landry was lobbying Gase for different routes He said no.

Are you saying Gase should give into every player's demand?

I think Gase inherited a ****ty culture similar to the one Tannenbaum created in NY. Ajayi, Landry...entitled *****es.

Both of you would be wrong.

I honestly can’t believe you are arguing that a losing coach esp an offensive coach who built a bottom 5 offense, did a good job because you can find some imperfection in the team to make an excuse with.

I honestly cant believe you are exonerating Mike Tannenbaum the worst GM in the AFC of all time.

 

[Ring 6]

Trying to get the thread back under control what if good friend Shane Waldron left the Rams where he doesnt call plays to come back here as offensive coordinator.
At this time I'm almost on a anybody but Oshea parade.

What is your problem with O’Shea?

 

[Joey007]

I take gase’s performance and judge him on it.
I put little if any credence in excuses. Everyone who fails has a boatload of them, mostly all the same things those who succeed work around or overcome.

The fact that Miami had the records they did was overachieving in itself compared to what they should’ve. Miami’s roster management has been horrid. Absolutely no direction to it.

You expect every coach to magically turn every situation into 12-4? Not everyone is Belichick. You know that.

 

[Joey007]

Are you ignoring that Tannehill went on IR in 2017, they had Cutler, traded Ajayi and Landry left?

I never said Gase was blameless. I did say Tannenbaum deserves a ton of blame.



He didn't misuse him. He actually had better numbers in MIA than he did in CLE. Landry was lobbying Gase for different routes He said no.

Are you saying Gase should give into every player's demand?

I think Gase inherited a ****ty culture similar to the one Tannenbaum created in NY. Ajayi, Landry...entitled *****es.




I honestly cant believe you are exonerating Mike Tannenbaum the worst GM in the AFC of all time.

The motto of the day is “no coach is allowed to have any excuses.” And it will change with his next argument he gets into.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Dude!! Did you just 101 my ass?? haha

I didn't say change the philosophy or the lingo.

Any play in one system can be run in any system. EP, AC, WC or whatever. It's the terminology that changes.

Find a guy who is better than most at finding creative ways to attack various defenses and hire that guy. The lingo is secondary.

Again this is just my opinion.

I didn't mean the 101 thing. I just thought the article did a good job of explaining the complexities of the different offensive systems. No offense meant

I don't agree the plays are all plug n play into different systems. I find it very intricate and interwoven. Different blocking schemes, route trees, protections. Its layers on layers...

I agree on finding creative minds but it's kinda like a software engineer who knows C++ and Oracle databases who know needs to learn Go in cloud networking AND develop the architecture....He/she could do it but it'll take a while

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, barring some really sleazy actions, Riley's off the list.

OU, Riley agree on contract extension. #OUDNA #BoomerSooner bit.ly/riley19 pic.twitter.com/m8nIlwegiQ

 

[Ring 6]

Are you ignoring that Tannehill went on IR in 2017, they had Cutler, traded Ajayi and Landry left?

Ajayi and Landry wee there in 2017.

I never said Gase was blameless. I did say Tannenbaum deserves a ton of blame.

It’s really a different discussion.

But when you blame it all on degradation of the roster when there were few losses it convolutes discussing the coach.

He didn't misuse him. He actually had better numbers in MIA than he did in CLE. Landry was lobbying Gase for different routes He said no. Follow?

Are you freaking kidding me?
Landry averaged 8.8 yards per catch his last year in Miami. He was horribly misused. Landry shouldn’t have had to ask him to let him run real routes and gase was 100% wrong in how he used him.

I think Gase inherited a ****ty culture similar to the one Tannenbaum created in NY. Ajayi, Landry...entitled *****es.

The coach is responsible for the culture.

I honestly cant believe you are exonerating Mike Tannenbaum the worst GM in the AFC of all time.

First I’m not exonerating him I am calling bullshlt on you making excuses for gase
Second there have been far worse GMs.
Tannenbaums problem is he worries about the present and ignores the future. That is far from an albatross around the neck of a 3 year coaching tenure.

 

[Deus Irae]

Trying to get the thread back under control what if good friend Shane Waldron left the Rams where he doesnt call plays to come back here as offensive coordinator.
At this time I'm almost on a anybody but Oshea parade.

With Cooter out of Detroit, you could possibly see Patricia taking a look at O'Shea. I don't know that such a move would be a good one for Patricia after the way this season went, but I wouldn't rule it out.

 

[Love The Drake]

What is your problem with O’Shea?

I dont see him as a innovator a wiz like Mcdaniels Or Obrein.
I feel we will regress and especially going into Bradys last years with us.
Throw in that Kraft paid Mcdaniels like a head coach and nobody has ever asked to interview Oshea even as a coordinator has me under the impression he is a yes man and will set us back.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The motto of the day is “no coach is allowed to have any excuses.” And it will change with his next argument he gets into.

They aren't even excuses. It's identifying the underperforming players in that organization. Gase very may well have done a crap job but we KNOW Tannenbaum did and has a well established track record of spending a ton of money and in most of the years he had personnel authority, had crappy teams

 

[Ring 6]

The fact that Miami had the records they did was overachieving in itself compared to what they should’ve. Miami’s roster management has been horrid. Absolutely no direction to it.

You expect every coach to magically turn every situation into 12-4? Not everyone is Belichick. You know that.

I expect a coach to walk in install his system coach up his players and improve the team.
Gase didn’t develop players, didnt improve anything and the guy brought in primarily to build an offense built a bottom 5 one.
Please explain what gase did that makes you think he was taking this tesmnib the right direction. I see nothing at all.

 

[Ring 6]

They aren't even excuses.

They are 100% excuses.

It's identifying the underperforming players in that organization. Gase very may well have done a crap job but we KNOW Tannenbaum did

This is your problem. You think you know this but you don’t.

and has a well established track record of spending a ton of money and in most of the years he had personnel authority, had crappy teams

Not really true. He had a wining record in ny.

 

[Ring 6]

I dont see him as a innovator a wiz like Mcdaniels Or Obrein.
I feel we will regress and especially going into Bradys last years with us.

Based upon what?

Throw in that Kraft paid Mcdaniels like a head coach and nobody has ever asked to interview Oshea even as a coordinator has me under the impression he is a yes man and will set us back.

That’s all assumption and you could say the exact same thing about McDaniel and Patricia before they became coordinators.

 

[Boomer B]

Geez, page after page arguing about Gase and Tannebum. Can’t we all agree that neither are very good at their jobs?

 

[Ring 6]

The motto of the day is “no coach is allowed to have any excuses.” And it will change with his next argument he gets into.

You can make all the excuses you want.
I judge a coach by what he actually does.

You can make the same excuses for any bad coach, which makes them just an excuse.

 

[Love The Drake]

You can make all the excuses you want.
I judge a coach by what he actually does.

You can make the same excuses for any bad coach, which makes them just an excuse.

What receiver has Oshea improved?
Who had he developed?