Rewatch Thread: NE @ Jacksonville

[PP2]

You can’t just make up an assignment that a player didn’t have and blame him for not doing what he wasn’t supposed to.
And what you want him to do is OPI.

The black line is the LOS and the safety is about two yards off it, so yes, it's still legal to chip him.

It probably wasn't part of the play design for Hogan to chip, because they had no way of knowing if the safety would creep up, BUT it was something Hogan could have done, to buy time for Dorsett.

 

[PP2]

Hogan ran his route to draw his man (who was closer to the play) away from it. If he ran into the inside guy, his man would have read it and bounced out.

Chipping the safety is not "running into the guy," and no, his man wouldn't have peeled off unless he wanted to give up a TD.

 

[TomPatriot]

That might all be true but he actually settled and waited for Hogan in this particular scene. He stopped going through his reads and locked in on Hogan before any of that pressure was relevant. Just rewatch the scene and look at his body.

All true, but he gets whacked as he threw the ball. Brady wasn't great but Dante's group has a lot to answer for. They were pretty bad much of the day. You pointed it out with Brown's olé run block on Burkhead's run.

 

[luuked]

When you get the All22, can you take a look at whether Dorsett was getting open or not, whether he was just too far down in the progression for Brady to see him with the Jaguar's pressure? It seemed to me like there were some opportunities there, but it's hard to tell when you can't see all the coverage on the TV angle.

My plan is to wait for Lazar to do his thing since he is getting paid for it and has better understanding of things and then maybe plug some holes with additional gifs.

I just wanted to go through the first drives in the game because being down 0:14 left a bad taste that I needed to get rid off.

 

[Ring 6]

The black line is the LOS and the safety is about two yards off it, so yes, it's still legal to chip him.

It probably wasn't part of the play design for Hogan to chip, because they had no way of knowing if the safety would creep up, BUT it was something Hogan could have done, to buy time for Dorsett.

No. He can’t make up his own assignment.
The assignment he was given drew 2 guys including one that was closer to the play away from it.
Hitting the guy not covering him and inside him would have given away the play to the guy cucering him and outside him.
Isn’t the legal pick zone 1 yard?

 

[luuked]

All true, but he gets whacked as he threw the ball. Brady wasn't great but Dante's group has a lot to answer for. They were pretty bad much of the day. You pointed it out with Brown's olé run block on Burkhead's run.

My point on the entire situation there is not about the throw really but I am wondering if him waiting for Hogan is just a manifestation of TB not really trusting CP. But it is all reading tea leaves.

 

[Ring 6]

Chipping the safety is not "running into the guy," and no, his man wouldn't have peeled off unless he wanted to give up a TD.

You can’t chip him without running into him.
If my receiver tries to throw a block then I know that he isn’t getting the ball and it is going in the direction he is blocking away from.
Defenders learn that in peewee football.

 

[luuked]

Isn’t the legal pick zone 1 yard?

Pretty much.. Romo once said that the refs usually give you like half a yard of buffer.

 

[PP2]

When you get the All22, can you take a look at whether Dorsett was getting open or not, whether he was just too far down in the progression for Brady to see him with the Jaguar's pressure? It seemed to me like there were some opportunities there, but it's hard to tell when you can't see all the coverage on the TV angle.

From what I saw, he was getting open more often than not, and that was against Bouye, mind you. That's one of the upsides to this game- the Dorsett/Brady connection is scorching red hot- 12 for 14.

The other upside was Sony's blazing speed- definitely has homerun speed. We saw glimpses of it. I wouldn't be too hard on our OL. The Jags have one of the best DL in the NFL.

 

[Ring 6]

My point on the entire situation there is not about the throw really but I am wondering if him waiting for Hogan is just a manifestation of TB not really trusting CP. But it is all reading tea leaves.

It doesn’t have to do with trust, it has to do with progressions. Hogan is the target. He can’t be looking fir a guy crossing from he other side while his primary route is not completed yet.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

I have only looked through the first three drives and that without All22 but to me it was a game with lousy execution moreso than any schematic or major gameplan related mistakes. On both offense and defense.

Good point. As a spectator in a living room far away from the game, it is easy to question the play calling. *IF* our guys are not blocking and tackling correctly there isn't a play in the book that will "fool" an NFL caliber opponent.

 

[luuked]

It doesn’t have to do with trust, it has to do with progressions. Hogan is the target. He can’t be looking fir a guy crossing from he other side while his primary route is not completed yet.

In this case I don't agree with you.

Brady made the conscious decision to stay with the player who is tightly covered instead of moving on to the next read. He doesn't have to wait for Hogans route to complete if he sees a DB tightly around him unless he thinks that no matter whats up with the next read a covered Hogan is still a better target.

 

[DaBruinz]

On a sidenote I hope we hear something positive from Flowers and Chung because those are huge losses.

How is this not an illegal block in the back?

 

[PP2]

No. He can’t make up his own assignment.
The assignment he was given drew 2 guys including one that was closer to the play away from it.
Hitting the guy not covering him and inside him would have given away the play to the guy cucering him and outside him.
Isn’t the legal pick zone 1 yard?

It's not making up his assignment. He can conveniently "bump" the safety and still run his route which is a dummy route. We'll never know the truth, but I see no reason why he couldn't adjust to the safety being in the box.

Legal pick zone or contact applies only to ball being thrown past LOS (IIRC). It never was.

 

[luuked]

How is this not an illegal block in the back?

Worst part about this is that if the Jax player pushes Davis into Bortles it is most probably roughing the passer.

 

[PP2]

You can’t chip him without running into him.
If my receiver tries to throw a block then I know that he isn’t getting the ball and it is going in the direction he is blocking away from.
Defenders learn that in peewee football.

It's called incidental contact. We do that all the time. Sometimes we get caught, sometimes we don't.

 

[Kontradiction]

When you get the All22, can you take a look at whether Dorsett was getting open or not, whether he was just too far down in the progression for Brady to see him with the Jaguar's pressure? It seemed to me like there were some opportunities there, but it's hard to tell when you can't see all the coverage on the TV angle.

Again, the game started to get fuzzy for me later on. But early on, he was only getting consistent separation when there was off coverage. At least from what I could see at the game.

 

[Ring 6]

Pretty much.. Romo once said that the refs usually give you like half a yard of buffer.

So it would be opi if he hit that pkayer, but may not get called?

 

[luuked]

So it would be opi if he hit that pkayer, but may not get called?

Anything that happens within about 1.5 yards of the LOS usually does not get called.

 

[Ring 6]

It's not making up his assignment. He can conveniently "bump" the safety and still run his route which is a dummy route. We'll never know the truth, but I see no reason why he couldn't adjust to the safety being in the box.

Legal pick zone or contact applies only to ball being thrown past LOS (IIRC). It never was.

I’m going to stop here because we are entering the zone where your lack of knowledge causes you to say things you have no clue about and then argue to defend them.
I will stick with a player in offense is expected to carry out his assignment and not make up things as he goes along that he is not told to do.
You can live in whatever fantasy you want.
This thread does need your numerous posts justifying things you make up.