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Name the quarterback who is still playing, but can't possibly be lost for the season.
Deus, Thanks. You and I know there are none.
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Deus, Thanks. You and I know there are none.
The assumption implicit in keeping JAG as insurance against a TFB injury for 2017 is that JAG can win the SB.
The last 2 SB seasons TFB made huge comebacks against the Ravens, The Seahawks and the Falcons to win.
I say that there is not another QB in the NFL good enough to engineer those comebacks, well maybe the Ravens one, but not the others.
So the point of keeping JAG so that we win the SB if Tom is injured is not a given as the Insurance argumenters and others imply.
That makes no sense. How does 2018 take care of itself? We lose the player and get nothing?I am talking about 2017 INJURY as in 2008. Surely you don't want to chase Lombardi #6 with only Brisett behind Brady. You migh,t but BBB would never consent to do it. He builds DEPTH on his clubs in so far as he can.
Not at all. This discusses the short term problem of losing him for the season due to injury as in 2008. It is concerned with the pursuit of Lombardi #6 in 2017 and the changes and costs you mustmake preparing for that eventuality in 2017.
I say that on a realsitic basis replacing him with a one year insurance policy costs as much or more than the illusory benefits of the draft haul of trading him.
You want to trade a way a player that may be in that class. Why would you not want to replace him with an equivalent? If you don't want to do that, than simply don't trade him. Let 2018 take care of itself.
How many 40+ year old QB's...
What happens if Brady at 41, 2 years time.. just starts to slip. And then we see JG rise to a top 5 QB in the league the year after we trade him.
2 years is a long time in the NFL, I just hope Brady holds up for awhile if we trade away a potential franchise QB.
A lot of you will be killing the Pats for dealing JG away.
I would probably trade JG for a 1st and more but just sayin.. its not the easiest decision imo. Brady is going to be 40 years old this coming season.
Where is this coming from? Vollmer was the RT1 at the start.
Vollmer - Mauler
Mason - Mauler
Really, the weak spot, in terms of running, is at center, and that's a case of the previous guy losing his position.
What's the massive cost of having Garoppolo insurance?
Brady has been the starter for 16 seasons and lost most of 2008 due to one injury, and 0.5 games in 2001 due to another injury (AFC title game).
Jimmy Garoppolo was the starter for not even 6 quarters, and missed 2.5 games with an injury.
What type of insurance policy is that for Brady? We have to waste a roster spot on a 3rd QB.
Well, AZ that's why we have message boards so we can disagree. The problem I see is that, while it would be a very nice LUXURY to have JG as the back up in case of any injury to Brady, it's a luxury fate has made impossible to afford.I usually agree with you Ken, but here I disagree. Brady will have to be carried out. He will never agree he can't cut it still, when he loses it. This particular question debates what to do in 2017. If he goes out for the season. Don't say it can't happen. It did happen in 2008. That is why you purchase insurance...
None of the backup QBs were ever starters so BB did not have to reshape the team, except for Cassel.
People who say to keep Garappolo don't play the scenario out properly.
Keep Him - You control him for 1 year. At end of 1 year, you either franchise him ($20MM), sign him long term (multiple years at probably $20MM each minimum) or lose him for a 3rd pick. There are no other viable options. Of course, you can extend him for a lot of money but keep him as back up but that has a lot of downside (cap, QB controversy...). So you are left with:
1. You only keep him beyond next year if a) Brady regresses and you cut him, b) Brady gets injured and is done or c) you trade Brady.
2. A reasonable analysis, based on everything we have seen from Brady, is that Brady will play for a few more years, let's say 2-4 years and be effective. So, you would basically be making the decision to keep him based on the off-chance Brady gets a long term injury (only happened once) or Brady regresses - no evidence to suggest that.
The Massive Cost Offensively. (Part III)
Belichick has said without a uniform number, it is hard to distinguish between Brady and Polo He meant on style of play and on techniques. It is not difficult to see the differences between Brady and Brissetts style, though.
Constructing a Superbowl club is different than assembling a winning team. You have to optimize to take advantage of every thing your Team can do; and do it even better.
In summary, Brady's game has always been as a pocket mobile QB, whose forte is short to intermediate throws and very accurate to allow YAC. Being very accurate, he can throw a catchable ball with great velocity, to minimize interceptions and incompletions. Tied to this is the ability to read and anticipate a Defense. Brady also has the ability to release very quickly and compactly, on short drops, before being sacked.
He is not particularly a long ball thrower and his game is not as a practitioner of power running games.
That means the Team, over many drafts, is optimized to provide the best alternatives for such a talent. The Offensive line is heavily oriented to being a pass blocking line, at the sacrifice of power run blocking. The receivers are selected for their quickness, and route running to get open, and not particularly for size and deep speed. RBs who can catch and run a route, are usually preferred over power backs. None of this is absolute. Moss was a great deep reciever and still was at the tail end of his career when the Patriots acquired his services. Antowain and Le Garette are also antithetical to the norm of RBs who have succeeded here, like Kevin Faulk and now White.
That summary accurately describes Garappolo talents too. Brady has a better head from long experience reading Defenses, and Polo's release may be even superior to how great Brady's release is. That is saying something. It is Marino like.
The Talents of Brisette are not in that direction. He is a semi-accurate, long ball thrower, with mild accuracy in the short and intermediate game. His release is long, slow, and ponderous. Not that it hurts in the long deep game, but not conducive to the dink and dunk games of Brady and Garrapolo, and for which talents the receivers were acquired. I doubt you could consistently move the ball downfield as Brady does, little bits at a time and using the short accurate throw as a substitute for a running game, with a Jacoby. Brisette while talented, is just not that kind of QB.
Lets look at franchise QBs that win, but do it as Brisette type might do. Eli Manning and Ben Rothlesberger, I will use as examples. They throw long and complete deep quick strike scores. Their long game is augmented by superior RBs, and very talented deep receivers. Both types of skill players are very expensive to acquire and keep. Their Offensive lines are selected to benefit the power run, at the cost of pass blocking ability. Deep pass protection comes with the QBs deep drop and mobility and scrambling ability to buy time.
Let us suppose that the Pats acquired such a franchise type deep passing QB by trade or draft or development. You would need the following changes: Thuney, Cannon and Andrews would need replacement, possibly Mason too. They are not power run blockers to build a running game around. Goodbye to Amendola, Edelman, maybe Mitchell. Short, small, quick, marginally speedy WRs dont cut it any longer. Floyd fits, and no one else in the WRs, and his deep talent is marginal as a quick-strike weapon.
The TEs are fine. Blount stays, and so does Lewis, White's talent is wasted, so he probably goes too, and you need some more big RBs, trying to find a Laveon Bell. I am really impressed with the draft pick haul for Garrapolo that you got Now.
So to optimize the Offense for such a Super Bowl quality team, not just a plus .500 club, you would ONLY need to replace 8-9 Patriot starters!!!!
There is a Massive Cost to trading Garrapolo that you now begin to see. And we have not yet reviewed the Defense...
Bekichick said Jimmy was built and worked out like a linebacker
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