The Following teams should be selling the farm for Jimmy

[patchick]

I swear, some of you fellows act like Tom Brady is going to be the Patriots QB until he is 60-years-old.

If you think that Jimmy G is the real deal (or could be), then you do your best to retain him. Franchise QBs do not go on trees, and having one gives you a shot every single year. This shouldn't have to be explained to any football fan, let alone Patriots fans.

OK, but what does "do your best to retain him" actually mean? Are you prepared to use multiple franchise tags on your backup if Brady can still play?

In fact, come to think of it...even if Brady retired, Garoppolo might prefer to look elsewhere in free agency. In Boston he'd be the guy with impossible shoes to fill. In a place like Chicago, he'd be the fresh new golden boy and hometown hero.

IOW, this isn't the typical high-value UFA situation where it's mostly about the contract. Much as I'm sure the Patriots would love to keep Jimmy on the bench for the next 3 years, that doesn't look like a realistic possibility -- and the next best option might be sending him off and reaping a draft bonanza.

 

[deroc5050]

If I had to make a guess I would say Bill trades Jimmy G after this season.

 

[varjao]

2030 NFL Films presents "The Garoppolo 4".

Damn I read 2030 and thought about 30 years in the future I was like what is this guy talking about

Then I realized its only 14, almost 13 actually. Thats crazy.

 

[AzPatsFan]

And you made that savvy evaluation from you living room based on the very limited views we got of him?????? GET over yourself, and how the f%ck can you tell he doesn't throw a catchable ball? Have you ever caught a pass from him? Do you have any more TV analyst cliches for me before I go to bed?

BTW- why the stat on QB's drafted in the first round (which is illuminating, btw) mean anything to the Pats. They aren't going to use that #1 pick they get for JG on a QB

If they get a pick by creating a void at QB what better use is it then fill the void at the most important position of any football team?

As to the question you pose. I have a pair of Mark I stereo eyeballs and can observe what I see. By what I see Brady has a compact and fast throw; Polo has a compact and fast throwing motion. Brissett has a long and slower throwing motion. The great QBs all had quick throwing motions. The failing ones do not. But QBs are measured by what is between their ears, no where else. Leadership as I was taught in military Officers school is a necessity in directing any group of men. Brady is a leader, Polo is a leader and Brissett maybe a leader as well. They all dispaly leadership personalities.

Manziel, Leaf, Jamarcus and Krapernick couldn't lead a pack of thirsty donkeys to water.

PS: What qualifies the Draftnik doofi to "analyze" "scout" and "evaluate" players? My views on QBs, I submit, is more correct than most professionals, who have a lousy track record, based on the evidence. It was not difficult at all to predict that Manziel would be an absolute disaster; and that Mariotta had a much better chance at succeeding; and that RGIII would have done better in the era of the single wing and not the Pro set era.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I swear, some of you fellows act like Tom Brady is going to be the Patriots QB until he is 60-years-old.

If you think that Jimmy G is the real deal (or could be), then you do your best to retain him. Franchise QBs do not go on trees, and having one gives you a shot every single year. This shouldn't have to be explained to any football fan, let alone Patriots fans.

Brady will be 40 next season...how many years do you realistically think he has left? He ain't super-human. Look at any other QB's longevity.

If you think Garappolo won't pan out, that's one thing...then trade him for a couple of high picks today...rip somebody off. But he has played well given the brief chance, and that's all we have to go by.

It'll be interesting to see what the Pats do in this circumstance. He'll be a free agent after next year, and the numbers might not work with Brady still holding on. Somebody might be left holding the bag.

Unlike every other 39 year old QB who has come before him Brady is a top 3 player in the league every year and is once again playing like the best player in the league. His game is based upon knowledge, decision making, and accuracy and his arm strength and athletic ability have been getting better, not worse. He shows absolutely no sign of deterioration at all and may well be playing the best football of his career. Garrapolo has shown that he can play at a high level but only for a few quarters, and that's a far cry from being an established franchise quarterback. Much as I like him I would absolutely trade him but only at a really high return, e.g...two high picks in this coming draft or back to back firsts. Short of that I would keep him and let it play out through 2017.

 

[Huckleberry1]

At some point the Patriots need to invest into a new QB. I'd say Brady has 2-3 good years left.

They have used 2nd and 3rd round picks in recent years on QB's, that's the definition of investing at QB.


Did another Patriots message board just sh.t the bed because I am seeing all sorts of new posters on this site?

 

[Addictive]

As I said earlier in the thread for me to trade Jimmy G it's going to come down to there being intense competition for his services (and I believe that will happen). If I'm Bill I uses these various teams competing to get the price as high as possible. If I can extract a top 3 pick for Jimmy G then I consider the trade but anything less than that I say Jimmy stays with the Pats.

A top 3 pick of the correct player like a Myles Garrett would be equal to having a franchise QB in my opinion.

 

[Huckleberry1]

As I said earlier in the thread for me to trade Jimmy G it's going to come down to there being intense competition for his services (and I believe that will happen). If I'm Bill I uses these various teams competing to get the price as high as possible. If I can extract a top 3 pick for Jimmy G then I consider the trade but anything less than that I say Jimmy stays with the Pats.

A top 3 pick of the correct player like a Myles Garrett would be equal to having a franchise QB in my opinion.

The same was said about Manziel and Christian Hackenberg recently, and a recap of the Barkevious Mingo, Dion Jordan draft recently showed it was a first round bust bonanza. The truth is that the draft and prospects are a crapshoot, there are no locks for greatness. I agree that a top three pick would be inducement enough to get Belichick to trade Garrapolo but don't expect him to actually use on a top three pick that you want because that won't happen, instead he will parlay that into multiple picks and players we never discussed.

 

[carmelo15]

The Bears are the perfect match:

-Jimmy G played HS and college football in Illinois
-Based off twitter, the fans want him
-He wouldn't be short on weapons if Jeffery re-signs (Jeffery, White, Meredith, Miller, Howard)
-The Bears look like they will finish with a top 3-5 pick
-http://sportsmockery.com/2016/09/ryan-pace-obsessed-finding-right-qb-bears/2/

Does that sound like a GM that wants to deal with/gamble on a rookie QB?

We'll have the leverage. You want Jimmy G? Give us your top 3 pick to select tbe best RB prospect in a decade or our best pass rusher since Tippett. Otherwise no deal.

Also if they do get a top 4 pick McDaniels might be heading there with Jimmy G.

 

[Love The Drake]

Also if they do get a top 4 pick McDaniels might be heading there with Jimmy G.

Id rather keep both

 

[carmelo15]

Id rather keep both

And I want my ex girlfriend back but it's not happening. Jimmy G won't be here next year we are gonna develop Brissett who for the circumstances he felt with didn't look that bad.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I have always been in the camp that predicting Brady's demise based on age doesn't make sense because of his style of game and the fact that he is actually getting better as he gets older, there is however one concern that's been growing on me and it is actually a result of his improved athleticism. More and more we are seeing Brady extend plays and make throws out of the pocket and that is when QB's are most likely to take the really big blindside hit that causes serious injury. Brady is masterful at minimizing the big hits within the pocket but the chance of him taking the big hit outside the pocket seems to be in the increase as he gets older not the decrease, which would be the logical consideration. For that reason more than any other I would make the price for Garrapolo as high as possible and would be more inclined to keep him through next season rather than move him, however if some team wants to give a really high first plus another good pick, or back to back first's then I would trade him to the right team, but only to a bottom feeder like Cleveland in the AFC.

 

[AzPatsFan]

OK, but what does "do your best to retain him" actually mean? Are you prepared to use multiple franchise tags on your backup if Brady can still play?

In fact, come to think of it...even if Brady retired, Garoppolo might prefer to look elsewhere in free agency. In Boston he'd be the guy with impossible shoes to fill. In a place like Chicago, he'd be the fresh new golden boy and hometown hero.

IOW, this isn't the typical high-value UFA situation where it's mostly about the contract. Much as I'm sure the Patriots would love to keep Jimmy on the bench for the next 3 years, that doesn't look like a realistic possibility -- and the next best option might be sending him off and reaping a draft bonanza.

Are you prepared to use multiple franchise tags on your backup if Brady can still play? Damn right, I would if I had to do it. But it is uneccessary, for more than a year at most. I do not concede that Brady will be the same QB after 3 years that he is today.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Unfortunately, I think watching Brock Lobster **** the bed will reduce the market a bit for Jimmy. They're not exactly comparable situations, but then again, there's not really a directly comparable situation.

But I can see some GMs watching a 2nd-round pick being groomed behind a HOFer who performs well in small spurts, then failing miserably in a new set of circumstances causing some hesitation. Jimmy performed way above and beyond anything Brock did, but Brock had a longer sample size for GMs to evaluate.

As a free agent, Jimmy will most likely get a decent deal and probably bring us back a 3rd-round comp pick. So if the trade market for him this offseason isn't dramatic (say a 2nd and a player like Cassel), I don't see the point, I'd rather keep him the extra year, then take the 3rd in a few years. It would have to be a pretty big deal to trade him, and I don't think that potential bidding war is likely to happen now that Brock has scared off some people.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Unfortunately, I think watching Brock Lobster **** the bed will reduce the market a bit for Jimmy. They're not exactly comparable situations, but then again, there's not really a directly comparable situation.

2015 Osweiler: 170/275 (61.8%), 7.2 YPA, 10 TD/6 INT, 86.4 passer rating
2016 Garoppolo: 42/60 (70.0%), 8.3 YPA, 4 TD/0 INT, 117.1 passer rating

 

[meatface]

there is so much delusion in this thread

 

[meatface]

2015 Osweiler: 170/275 (61.8%), 7.2 YPA, 10 TD/6 INT, 86.4 passer rating
2016 Garoppolo: 42/60 (70.0%), 8.3 YPA, 4 TD/0 INT, 117.1 passer rating

but jimmy only played a game and a half

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

there is so much delusion in this thread

Across several articles, multiple anonymous front office types have been quoted saying the Patriots could get more than a #1 for Jimmy. By all accounts that I've read, if you we don't it'll be because we choose to keep him not because the offers aren't there.

 

[deroc5050]

I am all for trading Jimmy G, for a first and a third this year or 2 firsts 1 this year and the year after. But I don't think Jacoby is going to be our next QB. So we will have to spend another decent pick and develop the next QB after Brady.

If we aren't offered a high first rounder I wouldn't trade Jimmy G. I would keep him until the end of 2017 and then make an extremely important decision.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

2015 Osweiler: 170/275 (61.8%), 7.2 YPA, 10 TD/6 INT, 86.4 passer rating
2016 Garoppolo: 42/60 (70.0%), 8.3 YPA, 4 TD/0 INT, 117.1 passer rating

I know. I covered that already. I'm not a fan of quoting myself but since the situation merits it...

Jimmy performed way above and beyond anything Brock did, but Brock had a longer sample size for GMs to evaluate.

Although if we really want a closer comparable, it would be something like Matt Flynn. Flynn got more action than Jimmy, but in his first two starts, he went 24 for 37, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 100.2 RAT against us, and 480 yards and 6 TDs vs. 1 INT against the Lions before becoming a free agent and signing a big deal with the Lions.

The point is that it was very tough to project Brock, and he's failing miserably, and it's even more difficult to project Jimmy because the sample size is smaller. It's like when people around you are hitting the jackpot, you're more likely to gamble. You watch everyone around you busting, you get more conservative. And it looks like the Texans busted bigtime.