Practice / Playoff Roster Discussion Only!!!

[dannydyn]

I just got an alert on my phone from the NFL app, listing MM as questionable?!?!?

WAIT, WHAT?!

 

[AtomicDawg]

Cannot remember a day this year that has had this much good news on the injury report.

 

[long distance]

No Pat out or doubtful? Must be the twilight zone. Or the playoffs..

Great to see the list trending in the right direction though..

 

[patfanken]

WTF- please would someone explain what this even means. First I'd like to know who is determining how much separation a player is getting on his route? I mean they seem to be measuring this by the inch. And does it take into contexts the route combinations? For example on a pick route, the guy "picking" is going to have zero separation by design, and the guy who the pick is designed to free will have yards of separation. Does it then mean the picker loses "separation stats" while the pickee's stats become inflated?

It's like Chatham says, stats without full context are meaningless. Just numbers we can use to have entertaining but ultimately meaningless conversations to kill time.

 

[patfanken]

Cannot remember a day this year that has had this much good news on the injury report.

You know it COULD be that what Howe sees as favoring his knee, is Burkhead getting used to the brace, and not knee pain.

 

[maineman209]

WTF- please would someone explain what this even means. First I'd like to know who is determining how much separation a player is getting on his route? I mean they seem to be measuring this by the inch. And does it take into contexts the route combinations? For example on a pick route, the guy "picking" is going to have zero separation by design, and the guy who the pick is designed to free will have yards of separation. Does it then mean the picker loses "separation stats" while the pickee's stats become inflated?

It's like Chatham says, stats without full context are meaningless. Just numbers we can use to have entertaining but ultimately meaningless conversations to kill time.

I think these numbers are the average for all receivers on the team, all players. So the sacrificers on pick-plays and the guys who get free average each other out.

Another way to interpret the numbers is that some QBs can see a guy coming open and release the ball then. Other QBs don't see the open guy until he's gained significant separation. A higher number might also indicate a QB who's simply less decisive, or a QB who scrambles a lot to extend plays.

You're 100% correct about the lack of context. This immediately feels like an apples-to-asteroids comparison.

 

[maineman209]

I just got an alert on my phone from the NFL app, listing MM as questionable?!?!?

WAIT, WHAT?!

I don't see him listed at all on the official injury report.

 

[TBR]

Cannot remember a day this year that has had this much good news on the injury report.

That's good to know, although I hope he gets 1 more week of rest.

 

[luuked]

My thoughts were the same.

For me, it is the percentage of targets that results in a first down is a more relevant stat than than the percentage of receptions.

Not at 7 of 26. That is simply awful and a reason why the offense appears to be sputtering sometimes. Hopefully Hogan can help with that.

 

[luuked]

I don't see him listed at all on the official injury report.

Not activated so not on the report. Otherwise we would have had at least 15-20 tweets from the beat guys about a player getting cut and MM activated.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

KVN off the report -- assumingly fully healed -- and Harrison with 3 weeks practice. This may be the best our LB group has been all year. If so that is one serious BFD to ramp up what has been the D's weakness.

 

[sean10mm]

We're pretty much looking at the best case scenario health-wise at this point.

Nice.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's good to know, although I hope he gets 1 more week of rest.

Agree. If hes still favoring it I'm not sure how good he'll be out there.

 

[maineman209]

So, with so many healthy, now the question becomes, "Who's inactive?"

I'm thinking ...

Gillislee (still recovering)
Croston - Healthy scratch
Harris - Healthy scratch
RJF - Healthy scratch
Grissom?

 

[Patjew]

This is the craziest week that I can remember vis a vis "who will play?"

 

[patfanken]

I think these numbers are the average for all receivers on the team, all players. So the sacrificers on pick-plays and the guys who get free average each other out.

Another way to interpret the numbers is that some QBs can see a guy coming open and release the ball then. Other QBs don't see the open guy until he's gained significant separation. A higher number might also indicate a QB who's simply less decisive, or a QB who scrambles a lot to extend plays.

You're 100% correct about the lack of context. This immediately feels like an apples-to-asteroids comparison.

First the thing that blows my mind is who the F is the guy who is determining that one receiver is open 3.12 yds while another is 2.71 yds, How is that even possible.

And while your post was informative and insightful, you show the ridiculousness of the this statistic by pointing out that you can interpret the results 3 or 4 different ways to a zero conclusion. In other words it is just statistical masturbation, or worse, something for a mediot to use to generate a narrative that suits his interests. For example , " the weakness of the Pats offense is shown by the fact their receivers rank 28th in the all important " separation at release stat"

btw- I love the apples to asteroids metaphor. It was perfect.

 

[Pats1989]

As long as it's not a 2006 AFCCG illness.

Patriots have never been about excuses. They'll never say the illness caused them to lose.

 

[Deus Irae]

Patriots have never been about excuses. They'll never say the illness caused them to lose.

Reasons and contributing factors are only excuses when you're using them to excuse.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

First the thing that blows my mind is who the F is the guy who is determining that one receiver is open 3.12 yds while another is 2.71 yds, How is that even possible.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

First the thing that blows my mind is who the F is the guy who is determining that one receiver is open 3.12 yds while another is 2.71 yds, How is that even possible.

And while your post was informative and insightful, you show the ridiculousness of the this statistic by pointing out that you can interpret the results 3 or 4 different ways to a zero conclusion. In other words it is just statistical masturbation, or worse, something for a mediot to use to generate a narrative that suits his interests. For example , " the weakness of the Pats offense is shown by the fact their receivers rank 28th in the all important " separation at release stat"

btw- I love the apples to asteroids metaphor. It was perfect.

If I recall, players all have chips in their uniforms now. It's how they get accurate MPH tracking, among other things. So it's quite possible that they can get a fairly precise read on "separation" at time of throw. But, as you point out, without context, it's difficult to know how to interpret the information.

EDIT: Yeah, for the last few years at least: The NFL will embed tracking chips in every player's shoulder pads