Official Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Ravens

[woolster22]

Mea culpa. I did not believe we were able to beat Ravens. However it was a smart, intelligent game with no stupid turnovers.
My unsung hero: Kyle Dugger with 12 tackles. He was everywhere on the field. Let this kid play and he ( likewise Harris) will show you gratitude.

Dugger wasn't just around the ball, he was laying some lumber (early anyway). The kid can definitely play.
Harris just looks like he's on a different level compared to the rest of our backs. I have an unhealthy dislike of Rex (teammates health) Burkhead and his wreckless abandon (rolled up Mitchell that second preseason, Brady's hand before SB, rolled up Harry a bit last night, etc). Rex is the closest to matching Harris' game speed and suddenness through the LOS. The difference is Rex seems to be wildly out of control where Harris seems to be looking for the next cut/block. Harris makes all our other backs look pedestrian at best, and they're all fairly consistent NFL level backs. Harris is the closest thing to an impact RB we've seen in a long time.

To those questioning why he was a healthy scratch for 18 months, you need to look no farther than the handful of pass pro snaps he got. He almost got cam killed he was so put of position on the first playfake, then may as well not have been present on another where his lack of blocking forced cam to scramble right and deliver the pass on the run. Those few plays made it fairly obvious why he wasn't trusted with Tompa last year. His pass pro last night was embarassing.

 

[BobDigital]

You must learn to grudgingly accept the win.

I'm happy they won. I was cheering for them hard the whole time. I'm was only getting at the fact that this team isn't suddenly good cause they won this game and it doesn't change how i see them. They aren't as good as the team that beat the Ravens, they aren't as bad as the team that got blown out by San Fran. They have been competitive in most of their games within one score. I would expect that to be the norm unless they play someone really good like KC.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

So what about Ryan Izzo. In the last 2 games he's been targeted twice, made 2 incredible catches and had two 20+ yd completions. I've wondered on several occasions why Izzo hasn't been targeted more. He's pretty much caught everything thrown at him over the season.

You're right. Izzo has 10 total catches in 8 games this year. So he's really outperforming himself right now with his one catch last game; it was a nice one yes, but he's not a NFL starter, why are we wasting time giving him 60 snaps a game.

 

[ashley]

 

[Vindicate]

Great win. I love beating the Ravens. As much as i'm enjoying this, it does not change my mind about this team in anyway. The Pats won 23-17. They missed a PAT so let's call it 24. One score required a Meyers dime and an insane Burkhead catch. Meyers may be a former HS QB but that play succeeding like it did in that coverage was a 20 to 1 shot at best. The pass needed to be absolutely perfect and it was.

The Ravens had massive unforced fumbles at key times which stopped drives or plays that would usually succeed. The Pats on the other hand managed to play a clean turnover game in these conditions. That doesn't usually happen even with good discipline and preparation.

The pats got breaks on close yardage situations and unforced penalties that gave our offense a massive boost. The Pats on the other hand committed 3 penalties for 18 yards.

Basically the Pats played an almost completely clean game and the Ravens shot themselves in the foot at several points. They also made a number of huge plays and made smart plays pretty much the entire time while the Ravens had a number of mental errors that had nothing to do with penalties. Drops, missing open passes, being late to certain spots. Not to mention needing to adjust to key injuries.

As much as I hate the Ravens and I'm glad we beat them today if we played 100 times we'd be lucky to win 30 of them. This game had nearly everything go our way and the Pats won by a single score when the Ravens had the ball late with a chance to come back multiple times. It was a heck of a game though.

What's interesting is how it was the exact inverse last year. Pats made uncharacteristic errors, a few bad calls from the refs (if I remember correctly), and it still took the Ravens playing out of their absolute minds take the W, only pulling ahead for good early in the 4th. And that's after they had addressed their defensive woes in adding Peters to their secondary.

What I'm getting at is, everything listed in both those situations is football. Bad calls, missed opportunity, etc. - the Ravens got outplayed and failed to make much of their opportunities. And the Patriots were a big factor in pressuring those conditions in their favor.

I don't think it's time to proclaim a win streak and cement us in the playoffs already, but that certainly was a statement from the Patriots that they can hang with the rest, and that's something to be excited about.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm happy they won. I was cheering for them hard the whole time. I'm was only getting at the fact that this team isn't suddenly good cause they won this game and it doesn't change how i see them. They aren't as good as the team that beat the Ravens, they aren't as bad as the team that got blown out by San Fran. They have been competitive in most of their games within one score. I would expect that to be the norm unless they play someone really good like KC.

This team won a game against a tough opponent that set their season back on track and all you can do is diminish it.
How many times out of 100 you think they would win means less than nothing. There is 1 game, they played it and won it.
How about you give them credit for a day or 2 before starting back on your rhetoric that they suck?

 

[Betterthanmost]

Question for those who understand the skillset for Nose tackles, why can't a team go for a sumo wrestler and training him about the rules?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Great win. cam is our QB. We need a WR and TE and we’ll be a contender

 

[JMC00]

Question for those who understand the skillset for Nose tackles, why can't a team go for a sumo wrestler and training him about the rules?

Didn't they do that in that Keanu Reeves/Gene Hackman football movie?

 

[upstater1]

The Patriots have been so dominant over 20 years that it's going to take 10 years of sucking at least to erase the sudden knee-jerk hateful instinctual reactions to anything that benefits the Patriots.

Witness the article in the feed about a so-called bad spot on a Cam Newton QB sneak.

Unreal. The guy is in a pile of bodies, the linemen runs in, gets knocked off his spot by a player, then sets his foot ahead about half a foot (yup, 6 inches), and across from him you see another ref who spotted Cam ahead of this guy, and he also had a better look at Cam's position.

But somehow this is deserving of an article, and the gnashing of teeth of many fans.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

The Patriots have been so dominant over 20 years that it's going to take 10 years of sucking at least to erase the sudden knee-jerk hateful instinctual reactions to anything that benefits the Patriots.

Witness the article in the feed about a so-called bad spot on a Cam Newton QB sneak.

Unreal. The guy is in a pile of bodies, the linemen runs in, gets knocked off his spot by a player, then sets his foot ahead about half a foot (yup, 6 inches), and across from him you see another ref who spotted Cam ahead of this guy, and he also had a better look at Cam's position.

But somehow this is deserving of an article, and the gnashing of teeth of many fans.

This is how the 'pats get all the calls' nonsense starts. They make a point to beat to death the calls that go our way and completely ignore the ones that don't. Cris Collinsworth and Al michaels did it all night like a couple of 4 year olds who didnt get the snack they wanted.

 

[BobDigital]

This team won a game against a tough opponent that set their season back in track and all you can do is diminish it.
How many times out if 100 you think they would win means less than nothing. There is 1 game, they played it and won it.
How about you give them credit for a day or 2 before star to me back on your rhetoric that they suck?

I don't think I ever said this team sucked. I might have said they are below average, don't remember for sure, but I'm confident I didn't say they sucked.

I just want to stay realistic. When I think we're super bowl caliber ill say it. When I think we suck I'll say it. When I think we're somewhere in between ill say it.

Many times in the past 20 years average to bad teams beat the Pats. If the fans of those teams believed that win was the start of a streak or setting them up for a deep run in the playoffs did you take any of that seriously or did you call them delusional, told them to enjoy their upset and move on?

I'm trying to avoid being too much like those fans.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Uptown]

 

[Nunchucks]

So what about Ryan Izzo. In the last 2 games he's been targeted twice, made 2 incredible catches and had two 20+ yd completions. I've wondered on several occasions why Izzo hasn't been targeted more. He's pretty much caught everything thrown at him over the season.

Probably because they want cam throwing the ball as little as possible

 

[Nikolai]

Probably because they want cam throwing the ball as little as possible

Also probably a little upset that there could be anything other than complete failure on Izzo's part.

 

[jah]

So what about Ryan Izzo. In the last 2 games he's been targeted twice, made 2 incredible catches and had two 20+ yd completions. I've wondered on several occasions why Izzo hasn't been targeted more. He's pretty much caught everything thrown at him over the season.

He's had a couple of fumbles in key moments, which is only amplified by how few times he's touched the ball.

 

[jah]

Also probably a little upset that there could be anything other than complete failure on Izzo's part.

The coaches are rooting against him?

 

[1960Pats]

Pats are 4-5. And that’s with losing Newton for two games and having something like 5 practices for the month of October. If the COVID didn’t happen in October they had a good shot at being an ugly 6-3 (along with like half the AFC) or maybe (though not likely) even 7-2.

When did we become excuse makers?
The fact is, they're 4-5 and they put themselves in that position, not some virus.

 

[luuked]

When did we become excuse makers?
The fact is, they're 4-5 and they put themselves in that position, not some virus.

That is not excuse making at all but simply important context.

If you think having something like 2-3 actual practices in the entirety of October because of the repeated COVID facility shutdowns and losing key players 48h before a game is not a major reason why they looked so awful against the Broncos then I don't know what to tell you.

We are not talking about coming out flat from a BYE. Guess why they have started to gel more in the last 3 weeks ? Because they actually got to practice regularly and put gameplans in motion.