Josh Gordon: finishes rehab, hopes to be reinstated before week 3

[supafly]

I work in law enforcement. Killing someone while driving drunk is a lot worse crime than being a habitual drug user. We signed a player convicted of manslaughter.

What you're failing to grasp is the failure to learn from past mistakes, and more importantly, the recidivism, or more appropriately, the continued acts. You're incorrectly stuck on some stoner mentality that smoking weed and drinking alcohol isn't as bad, and while I see your point, it's the fact that Gordon seems to continually put everything else but football ahead of him. The repeated mistakes on a yearly basis are concerning.

Bill Belichick is not going to take a shot on someone who has proven that he can't even see the damn football field, and that's one of the biggest traits that separates Gordon from your examples. First, Gordon would need to prove that he can get on the field and stop getting suspended. The dude has played in 5 games since 2013.

I appreciate your service in law enforcement, but I too, have dedicated my education and life to the field of criminal justice, having my Master's from BU and having recently done research work for a lobbyist who works with the Illinois General Assembly in terms of passing new legislature. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you about a difference of opinion, but I can hold my own on the subject matter, as well. None of that means anything of course, but if I had to bet, I would expect Belichick to want to see an improvement in several areas from Gordon prior to even giving any consideration to the idea.

 

[supafly]

I'd sign him, and wouldn't look back.

People were making this same argument back in 2013-2014, and he's played in a grand total of 5 games since then.

Also, you should look up his past history timeline. It goes well beyond having a drink. I'm all for giving people second and third chances, and I could party with anyone on this planet back in the day, but if a guy is continually getting suspended/banished from the league, what the hell are you going to do with him on your 53 man roster?

We should all revisit this issue if/when Gordon ever gets his affairs in order and actually plays an entire season. Until then, the argument is stupid.

 

[PatriotReign]

You are comparing situations that couldn't really be more different.

Stallworth was already well know here in 2007, had one negative incident, and was brought back for one game as a short term depth addition.

Gordon has been a habitual offender just about every single year from his days at Baylor, quit on his team by refusing to show up, is in and out of rehab all the time, puts all of his personal issues before football, and has a SERIOUS drug problem--even if you want to minimize the specific substances as "just" weed and alcohol.

If Gordon were to get his life in order, prove that he can actually stay on the football field for awhile etc, then Belichick may give him a chance. Any talk of it now is completely and totally asinine.

He was put on IR after that one game due to an injury suffered on his touchdown reception. Had he not gotten hurt he peobably would have played out the season with the team.

 

[supafly]

He was put on IR after that one game due to an injury suffered on his touchdown reception. Had he not gotten hurt he peobably would have played out the season with the team.

Okay, fair enough about the circumstances as to why he only played one game in 2012, but again--there's a huge difference between someone making a mistake, showing remorse, and moving forward, and another person continuing to make the same mistakes, over and over again.

In this example, the biggest difference was that Stallworth was actually able to take the field and participate, whereas we're speculating as to whether or not Josh Gordon will even see the actual football field again during his career in the NFL.

 

[supafly]

I swear, Josh Gordon's mother comes on the forum and starts a new thread on the idea of her son becoming a NEP about 3-4 times a year, and somehow I'm still surprised that there are people who put down their Madden controllers and scream "that's the best idea I've ever heard!"

 

[Tunescribe]

I swear, Josh Gordon's mother comes on the forum and starts a new thread on the idea of her son becoming a NEP about 3-4 times a year, and somehow I'm still surprised that there are people who put down their Madden controllers and scream "that's the best idea I've ever heard!"

I'm willing to wager that most if not all of the Josh Gordon enthusiasts here are video gamer addicts under age 25.

 

[Clonamery]

I'm willing to wager that most if not all of the Josh Gordon enthusiasts here are video gamer addicts under age 25.

I'm sure he's in game shape, Madden game shape.

 

[Ring 6]

Bb has signed or kept players who have gotten into just as much doo doo as Gordon

Who has he kept or signed that failed and/or was suspended for drug tests SEVEN times?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Who has he kept or signed that failed and/or was suspended for drug tests SEVEN times?

I don't know, but I do know he signed players who have committed the following crimes

Domestic Violence
Manslaughter
Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon

What's worse...drug addiction or those violent crimes?


Corey Dillon, a forum favorite, beat his wife in 2000. "Officers arrived at the scene they found dillons 23 year old wife bleeding from the mouth in the driveway."

Where was the outcry when we traded for this guy? Guess what he beat his wife again in 2010 and was arrested.

How about stalloworth killing a person because he was drunk driving? Yet we resigned him in 2012

Or Talib assaulting a man in 2009 then firing a gun at a person in 2011? We trade for him in 2012

Or dennard assaulting a police officer five days before the draft, then the patriots drafting him?

Randy Moss getting caught with marijuana in three separate instances and failed drug tests, including getting booted out of college...then showed attitude issues by blatantly quitting on his team in 2006?

How are these men any less than Gordon?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I'm willing to wager that most if not all of the Josh Gordon enthusiasts here are video gamer addicts under age 25.

What's your issue with the patriots taking a flier on him? I mean after all, the patriots have traded for players who committed manslaughter, beat his wife, and committed assault with a deadly weapon. Is a recovering drug addict any worse?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

What you're failing to grasp is the failure to learn from past mistakes, and more importantly, the recidivism, or more appropriately, the continued acts. You're incorrectly stuck on some stoner mentality that smoking weed and drinking alcohol isn't as bad, and while I see your point, it's the fact that Gordon seems to continually put everything else but football ahead of him. The repeated mistakes on a yearly basis are concerning.

Bill Belichick is not going to take a shot on someone who has proven that he can't even see the damn football field, and that's one of the biggest traits that separates Gordon from your examples. First, Gordon would need to prove that he can get on the field and stop getting suspended. The dude has played in 5 games since 2013.

I appreciate your service in law enforcement, but I too, have dedicated my education and life to the field of criminal justice, having my Master's from BU and having recently done research work for a lobbyist who works with the Illinois General Assembly in terms of passing new legislature. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you about a difference of opinion, but I can hold my own on the subject matter, as well. None of that means anything of course, but if I had to bet, I would expect Belichick to want to see an improvement in several areas from Gordon prior to even giving any consideration to the idea.

Yes, no doubt if he were applying for a real job, his attitude and history of repeated behavior would not get him a second interview. But this is the NFL...they allow wife beaters, men who were convicted of manslaughter, assault with deadly weapon, child abusers to play in the NFL. Gordon just completed rehab. He's only 26, he will get another shot. There's no better environment for troubled players with questionable attitudes to go than New England. He will either straighten out or ship out.

Thank you, and I appreciate the work you do in the industry. Cheers.

 

[Tunescribe]

What's your issue with the patriots taking a flier on him? I mean after all, the patriots have traded for players who committed manslaughter, beat his wife, and committed assault with a deadly weapon. Is a recovering drug addict any worse?

It's not an issue I have, it's the issue I suspect BB has. I think Supafly has pretty accurately spelled out why the guy is not worth messing with after having already failed multiple opportunities to fly straight. Not all recovering drug addicts are functional in stressful, demanding jobs.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

It's not an issue I have, it's the issue I suspect BB has. I think Supafly has pretty accurately spelled out why the guy is not worth messing with after having already failed multiple opportunities to fly straight. Not all recovering drug addicts are functional in stressful, demanding jobs.

But you were ok with the Dillon trade? A guy who beat his wife so bad her whole mouth was bleeding when the police got There? Or resigning stallworth after he killed a man drunk driving? Or trading for Talib a year after he attempted to shoot a person?

 

[TBR]

But you were ok with the Dillon trade? A guy who beat his wife so bad her whole mouth was bleeding when the police got There? Or resigning stallworth after he killed a man drunk driving? Or trading for Talib a year after he attempted to shoot a person?

There's no doubt that there's a lot of former Pats players with histories that are far more concerning, unfortunate, and plain worse than Gordon's relatively trivial drinking & smoking weed problem (in contrast). Although the bigger problem from a football perspective is his major, proven risk for unavailability and consistent inability to stay clean when giving 3rd, 4th and 5th chances. Maybe even a 6th chance, I've lost track at this point. I think the NFL's policies are part to blame for his situation - just a tiny bit, but he still deserves the lion's share of blame.

We know he's got all-time great talent though. I'm sure Bill does too. I doubt Bill makes such a move anyway, but hey, maybe you just hope the damn kid is bound to stop screwing up at some point (especially after a full rehab) and just go for it with a conditional pick. I'm not banging on the table for the guy (not any more) but perhaps the change of scenery in Foxboro also helps, and he finally wakes the hell up.

For now, I guess we can stick to watching 2007 Randy Moss highlights.

 

[supafly]

Thank you, and I appreciate the work you do in the industry. Cheers.

Thanks, man. Unfortunately, that project is over and I've been having some lingering health issues, so I'm pretty much just waiting for another opportunity where I can work in a non traditional, at-home setting, pulling out my phone and posting on patsfans when I'm bored, and stressing myself out.

I think the issue most have with your comparison is the fact that while they were certainly more serious in nature, they were pretty much isolated incidents. Gordon, however, has shown a disturbing pattern of continuing his same mistakes. It's a shame too, because he is obviously very talented when he's on the field, or at least he was in the past. I'm sure he's still nasty, but you've gotta wonder what he could have been in the 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 seasons in what should have been the height of his career.

 

[Tunescribe]

But you were ok with the Dillon trade? A guy who beat his wife so bad her whole mouth was bleeding when the police got There? Or resigning stallworth after he killed a man drunk driving? Or trading for Talib a year after he attempted to shoot a person?

Again, it's not what I'm "OK" with, it's what BB was willing to risk. And he was proven correct by those players doing their jobs.

You seem to be trying to make this an emotional argument by comparing the degrees of players' off-field transgressions while suggesting Gordon is comparatively more deserving of a chance to play because he's "only" a drug addict. But Gordon thus far has demonstrated an inability to overcome that problem toward being a reliable on-field asset. You're being illogical.

 

[scout]

He had drinks on a flight after clevelands last game 20 months ago because he thought his no drinking allowance was over. It was right in front of coaches. Neither he, nor his agent, nor his coaches were aware that he had to wait until the end of the sb before he could have a drink. that mistake cost him all of last year.

Read the post of BlacknGold77 to get a better perspective of "one" honest mistake. Then again, I'm not drinking if I don't know the rules (what's a few million $,right). Lets put our situation in the hands of the Cleveland coaches.........I would fire the agent if he wasn't up on the rules. I give the benefit of doubt for a mistake or two...

 

[borg]

Being a "root for the jersey not for the number" cold hearted fan who only cares about the "W" ....my view is simple......Shake every bush , leave no stoner unturned.

In the mean time, anyone think Hollister might get fast tracked and deployed as the "move" TE given the lack of receiver options currently on the roster?

 

[Ring 6]

I don't know, but I do know he signed players who have committed the following crimes

Domestic Violence
Manslaughter
Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon

What's worse...drug addiction or those violent crimes?


Corey Dillon, a forum favorite, beat his wife in 2000. "Officers arrived at the scene they found dillons 23 year old wife bleeding from the mouth in the driveway."

Where was the outcry when we traded for this guy? Guess what he beat his wife again in 2010 and was arrested.

How about stalloworth killing a person because he was drunk driving? Yet we resigned him in 2012

Or Talib assaulting a man in 2009 then firing a gun at a person in 2011? We trade for him in 2012

Or dennard assaulting a police officer five days before the draft, then the patriots drafting him?

Randy Moss getting caught with marijuana in three separate instances and failed drug tests, including getting booted out of college...then showed attitude issues by blatantly quitting on his team in 2006?

How are these men any less than Gordon?

You seem to want to be making character judgments.
Belichick isn't a court judge. He is trying to win football games. I would assume that a guy who pretty much gets suspended every year would be considered a risk probably not eating a roster spot on before he ultimately screws up again.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

He hasn't played football in what, 4 years? What on earth makes anyone think that he can still perform at a high level?

I think he can at least play high