Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

[Love The Drake]

Just to be solidly in the middle of the road, did BB say JG was "tough like a linebacker" before or after the injury?

Before

 

[aluminum seats]

"Loyalty" means nothing to BB.

With the exception of one year of Troy Brown, agreed.

But right. And "loyalty" is even more nonsensical regarding fans. We have no say on anything. I suppose it means we should be prepared to cry or boycott the team or something if Brady leaves? Is this a forum of 8 year old boys?

 

[PatsDeb]

Let's say BB cuts Brady to make JG the starting QB. Brady then signs with the Jets.

When the Jets play the Patriots, who do you root for: Brady and the Jets, or JG and the Pats?

No one. Too painful to watch.

 

[Love The Drake]

With the exception of one year of Troy Brown, agreed.

But right. And "loyalty" is even more nonsensical regarding fans. We have no say on anything. I suppose it means we should be prepared to cry or boycott the team or something if Brady leaves? Is this a forum of 8 year old boys?

Willie Mac leaving was difficult that's why I hope when the time comes if it's after this season even Brady retires instead of putting on another Jersey.
Again only team I could stomach would be Niners.

 

[Ring 6]

I think saying Brady playing to 43 is pretty fair. I could see Brady lasting three more seasons MAX and needing to pick his family over football.

Why would it change at 43?

 

[Ring 6]

Yes you contaminated the other thread because that thread was about the possibility (which exists, despite your protestations to the contrary) that BB will try to keep both JG and TB, and to examine what it would mean financially and roster-wise. You seemed to think it was yet another forum for you to express your well-known view that JG will not be around. We get it Andy. We get it.

No I expressed an opinion that a big piece of tat discussion is whether JAG will even accept stating as a backup. Despite your attempt to control that us a valid part of that discussion

As for this topic, I am on record as saying that I think they should have traded JG this offseason because I think Brady has a few more outstanding seasons left, and I think that gives them time (and ammo) to solve the "Brady succession" problem.

But because JG was NOT traded, it seems like there's the possibility that BB sees it differently, and that it's worth exploring what kind of reasoning he might have. And I laid out what some aspects of that thinking might be.

As always, none of us has ANY idea what BB is thinking, or what will actually transpire. Given that JG is still here and that BB apparently turned down at least a first round pick for JG, it seems absurd for you to insist that it's silly to think that either Brady might be gone after 2017 (or 2018) or that BB might be looking to find a way to keep both for a few years until Brady retires and JG can take over.

It's absurd because it's based on the naive thought that the only reason to keep him is to dump Brady.
He can be traded next year and will probably net close to as much.
He is here this year because he can be and you have a 40 yr old QB who could get injured or could even have a career ending injury. How ever remote that chance if you have an insurance policy you execute it.
If he were under contract for 3 more years at 1 mill he would stay as the backup those years.
When the cost becomes exhorbitant and the player is finally free that changes.
The choices are dump the GOAT which is dumb, franchise him which is too costly, let him walk, or tag and trade. Barring severe injury to Brady the reverse order is the one that is sensible.

 

[Ring 6]

"Loyalty" means nothing to BB regardless of whether it's Cleveland or New England. BB's intent will alway be to make the team better and is not influenced by the fans, media, or NFL. I am enjoying the ride.

We are talking about fan loyalty.
Fans calling for dumping Brady are pathetic.

 

[IllegalContact]

Have you read the board?
The vocal minority are throwing Brady under the bus. At least it ought to be the minority, hence the question.

You should be a little less sensitive to the opposing viewpoint.....between concussion gibberish and the fact he's 40, there is plenty of logic in the concern with the notion 'I will play until I suck' which is not how the front office rolls.....the adage 'better a year too soon than a year too late' applies, maybe even more so in this instance.

As for the comparison to Kosar I think a big difference is that Kosar won nothing but the fans had him as a successful local favorite. Here, the argument is more about keeping the team winning after Brady even if it means facilitating an exit prior to his decision to exit.

We are truly spoiled with success

Both sides of the point are valid......in BB I trust is all I have left to say

 

[IllegalContact]

We are talking about fan loyalty.
Fans calling for dumping Brady are pathetic.

I'm trying to be nice so bear with me......you are the one who is ranting and emotional.....not a harbinger of common sense

The question of age is legitimate.....I have zero interest in 'suck for luck' come the moment when some chronic issue removes Brady and forces the team to start someone like Brissett

 

[Ring 6]

With the exception of one year of Troy Brown, agreed.

But right. And "loyalty" is even more nonsensical regarding fans. We have no say on anything. I suppose it means we should be prepared to cry or boycott the team or something if Brady leaves? Is this a forum of 8 year old boys?

It's actually more appreciation than loyalty. Witnessing the GOAT and whatvhe did just 4 months ago then wanting to dump him for an unproven kid represents a lack of appreciation of the talent you have witnessed and horrible critical thinking skills.

 

[PatsDeb]

I don't know why anyone thinks that BB retaining Garropollo this year was anything more than him thinking it was the best option for the team. He obviously didn't covet anyone in the first round of the draft & if he traded Jimmy G and Brissette was not ready to step in & be Brady's back-up, then he'd have to go spend money on a vet QB AND pay the first rounder he just drafted. He chose to build the team through trades & signing older players instead. Nothing to see here. Not until we see how this season goes.

 

[aluminum seats]

It's actually more appreciation than loyalty. Witnessing the GOAT and whatvhe did just 4 months ago then wanting to dump him for an unproven kid represents a lack of appreciation of the talent you have witnessed and horrible critical thinking skills.

--Then think more carefully about your thread titles

--What Belichick decides is fine by me. If he ultimately chooses JG, I'll take his "horrible critical thinking skills" over yours

 

[Ring 6]

--Then think more carefully about your thread titles

Thanks for the unsolicited advice.

--What Belichick decides is fine by me. If he ultimately chooses JG, I'll take his "horrible critical thinking skills" over yours

Don't worry, unless and until something severe happens to Brady you won't have to worry about that.

This is the point really. If Brady were playing like an over the hill has been, he should be replaced. If he had deteriorated to mediocre, he should be replaced at his age.
But he just finished a season as the best QB in the NFL and won his 5th SB with the greatest SB ever played by a QB and before the next game fans, many of whom brag about "their team" are ready to throw him over because maybe the unknown guy might not be too bad. I think it's pathetic.

 

[Kdo5]

It isn't 40 min vs 20 min. It's games 1-19. It's the ability to overcome adversity and make plays throughout a season.

The first 40 min? The Falcons surprised the Pats with a cover 2 robber defense and it took awhile for Brady and McDaniels to adapt the game plan to it hence the numerous sideline passes later in the game. Meanwhile the Atl offense was shredding the Pats D with big play after big play. They of course adjusted too.

Drew? Drew came off of a 5-11 season and started the 2001 season 0-2. Brady is coming off of a SB championship.

Bernie kosar?? C'mon man.

Those first forty minutes were mediocre but so what? People have bad stretches. Brady over shot Edelman on a few throws and tossed the INT but he was being clobbered and his receivers were being tightly covered/held.

Doubt many other QB's would have shown success in that situation. Certainly not JG. The struggles early on in that game were related to the way the Falcons were playing, not some kind of decline in Brady's skills.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't know why anyone thinks that BB retaining Garropollo this year was anything more than him thinking it was the best option for the team. He obviously didn't covet anyone in the first round of the draft & if he traded Jimmy G and Brissette was not ready to step in & be Brady's back-up, then he'd have to go spend money on a vet QB AND pay the first rounder he just drafted. He chose to build the team through trades & signing older players instead. Nothing to see here. Not until we see how this season goes.

Also, Brady IS 40.
The odds something happens (serious injury or--unlikely in his case--decline) are greater than they were when he was younger. Therefore the value of an insurance policy is greater.
Next season when JAG is traded I would expect BB to change his past trends and have a vet backup on board. Because the odds of the end increase each year.
Rather than punting the GOAT at near his prime level of play you pay more attention to contingency because the chance it is needed is greater.

The idea of keeping JAG forever and hanging over the reins when appropriate makes perfect sense except for 2 problems.
1) you can't afford to
2) I seriously doubt JAG wants to be a backup rooting for injury for another 3-5 years when there is a decent chance he can be in the field playing somewhere else.

 

[varjao]

People got used to think like BB I guess. Or at least they think they are thinking like BB.

I'm applying some BB things to my life, I guess it's the way to go.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

It's not the thread that's stupid it's the posts and opinions that inspired it.
And you are 100% right.

Fair enough,

 

[Brewskies]

I don't need to be concerned about Brady vs JG. If Brady is healthy he will start the season. I like having JG on our team. If he is needed he will play. If needed even Bishop will play. If our fans are asking JG to start this comimg season with Brady healthy the reality is that's not happening.

Glad we have BB. Whatever is best for the team.

 

[primetime]

I've never met Tom Brady.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Is there anyone else playing better than TB right now? Is there some perfect QB that makes no mistakes? If we judged every QB the way we judge TB, they'd all be down the road. Ryan made it to the SB. How'd he do? Thank God BB doesn't have his head up his arse. BTW, Grop hasn't done 5h!t yet.