Brady 2017 MVP Race Watch

[Angelpats]

Yeah, I think it's more likely that Brady wins it if he and Wentz finish closely matched. I think the "big year at age 40" thing will play with voters.

If you listen to the mediots, it's anything but analytical this year. Brady wins in almost every category and they still like Wentz more. The voters are influenced by the media. If you look at stats alone Brady has this easily. The same as Terrel Owens having to wait three times for the HOF. An the 40 thing pisses them off even more since most of them have the old age is death mentality. They waiting for the cliff.

 

[BobDigital]

That INT certainly did not hurt Brady's chances!
Brady, outside of touchdown passes, which he is only 2 behind, is ahead of Wentz in every personal statistical category.

Wentz has a top 10 D. Brady's D is still ranked towards the bottom. Wentz plays in a semi-crap division. One could argue that the AFCE is one of the better more competitive divisions in the NFL this year.

Don't want TB to win it but saying that the INT today really hurt his chances is BS!

This all makes perfect sense of course. The issue is you are talking about logic and not narrative. By logic Brady is the better option and should win. They are really trying to give it to Wentz though. To take it Brady needs to be not just a bit better but a good amount better statistically. If Brady finishes the year with the same TDs but 2 less ints that probably is still not enough. He needs more TDs and Less Ints... probably at least 2 less.

It needs to be so impressive a year they can't help but give him the nod even with "Patriots Fatigue".

I honestly think to win MVP Brady needs to go something like...

38 TDs 4 Ints 5000 yards 68% for IDK... 112 QB rating and 14-2

Assuming Wentz stays on pace and goes something like..

39 TDs 7 Ints 4300 yards 60% 104 QB rating..

Is it completely unfair to Brady? Yes. But I think that is the reality.

Of course if Wentz has a bad games and the eagles drop one then it is Brady's to lose. Maybe the Rams or Seahawks can make it happen.

 

[maineman209]

 

[mgteich]

How many fewer games would the patriots have won if JAG was quarterback for the year (with Brady having been injured in preseason)?

How many fewer games would the eagles have won if Wentz was injured the preseason?
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The MVP didn't used to mean the best performance by a quarterback that went to the playoffs. The MVP used to ask who was most responsible for the success of a playoff team.

So, now the choices are Wentz or Brady or even Goff. Guys like Brown from PITT aren't even being considered.

 

[sb1]

How many fewer games would the patriots have won if JAG was quarterback for the year (with Brady having been injured in preseason)?

How many fewer games would the eagles have won if Wentz was injured the preseason?
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The MVP didn't used to mean the best performance by a quarterback that went to the playoffs. The MVP used to ask who was most responsible for the success of a playoff team.

So, now the choices are Wentz or Brady or even Goff. Guys like Brown from PITT aren't even being considered.

Nobody is calling Goff a bust this year. I figured that probably would be the case.

 

[Nehalem]

That Int really hurt Brady's chances. To be honest if he wants to win he need to keep his ints well below Wentz.

Sadly that is what he has to do. Be it fair or not.

That Int really sucks. Pretty much ruins his chance of breaking the TD-INT ratio record

Currently, for 300+ pass attempts in a season, 3/4 top spots are held by Brady. The other one in the top 4 is Nick Foles

 

[sb1]

I really think that a Brady fatigue factor would be a much bigger deal if the GOAT was 35 and still had a few years left in him. That is not so... Brady is 40 and in the sunset of his window as an elite NFL QB... and having a historic season for someone in that position. And clearly the Patriots would be far worse off without him playing like he is.

As I said from what I have seen of this league and its media partners and the way they think - I really believe they will want to salute the GOAT for his career while Brady is playing at a level that allows them to do so. And the league and its media partners, and anyone with a brain know fully well that the circumstances that got him suspended and his name briefly tarnished were absolute garbage and in their minds maybe this is a way they can "apologize" and make it right.

Obviously assuming Brady keeps this up for the last 5 games of the year... I will be shocked if this is anything less than a clear and decisive vote giving Brady his 3rd league MVP award.

 

[mgteich]

Obviously assuming Brady keeps this up for the last 5 games of the year... I will be shocked if this is anything less than a clear and decisive vote giving Brady his 3rd league MVP award.

Why would you be shocked?

After 11 games, most would give the award to Wentz. Brady certainly isn't currently favored to have clear and decisive vote for him.

 

[sb1]

Why would you be shocked?

After 11 games, most would give the award to Wentz. Brady certainly isn't currently favored to have clear and decisive vote for him.

Could be wrong but simply because Brady is 40 and having a historic season being 40... very few 40 year old players, or athletes for that matter has ever been near the top of his game in any sport the way the GOAT is...and that will play with voters. And the league and its media tends to tip their cap to the "legends" on their way out, and I really think they will recognize it for being the historic season that it is, at least so far. They know it's very possible and maybe probable that Brady meets the Cliff next season and therefore they will never again get a chance to recognize him as MVP.

If Brady was younger and not near the end of his career and having merely a great season then I believe Wentz would be a big favorite to win it. Not so this year. Wentz will get his MVP someday. Unless Brady has a bad game in his last 5, I doubt it's this year.

As I said before Peyton Manning already had the Super Bowl MVP in a pregame media brief before that game (Von Miller won it but still). Same logic then. That's how they think.

I don't buy into the paranoia that Brady would be denied votes because he's "hated".

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Brady winning it ONLY Twice in his career should tell you how much of Joke it is. He doesn't because it's 'Expected' of him to put up 12-14 wins, 3-4,000 yds and 30 something plus TDs etc etc etc. Also gives a narrative to mediots* to have something/one to compare him too. Remember when it was P.Manning, Rodgers, Luck, Newton, Ryan....... How did that play out last few years.
What's most important is TB's Four SB MVP Awards.

 

[Ring 6]

How many fewer games would the patriots have won if JAG was quarterback for the year (with Brady having been injured in preseason)?

How many fewer games would the eagles have won if Wentz was injured the preseason?
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The MVP didn't used to mean the best performance by a quarterback that went to the playoffs. The MVP used to ask who was most responsible for the success of a playoff team.

So, now the choices are Wentz or Brady or even Goff. Guys like Brown from PITT aren't even being considered.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that your vote for mvp would depend on your guess of who had a better backup qb?
Wow.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady winning it ONLY Twice in his career should tell you how much of Joke it is. He doesn't because it's 'Expected' of him to put up 12-14 wins, 3-4,000 yds and 30 something plus TDs etc etc etc. Also gives a narrative to mediots* to have something/one to compare him too. Remember when it was P.Manning, Rodgers, Luck, Newton, Ryan....... How did that play out last few years.
What's most important is TB's Four SB MVP Awards.

Brady hasn’t won more because it has gone to stat whores. Brady has been the best player in the league many seasons but has not been the best statistic accumulator too often. This year he will be both. He may win unanimously.

 

[Ring 6]

Why would you be shocked?

After 11 games, most would give the award to Wentz. Brady certainly isn't currently favored to have clear and decisive vote for him.

Based on what?
Brady is the clear favorite.

 

[Ring 6]

Wentz is going to win it (barring an injury or something else). The voters love a new guy so there's no way Brady wins it. Brady, unfortunately, is old news. No way he wins the MVP...but he'll have a chance to win the Super Bowl MVP which is much better.

Please name the last 3 times “the new guy” won the mvp. Hell, name once.

 

[sb1]

How many fewer games would the patriots have won if JAG was quarterback for the year (with Brady having been injured in preseason)?

How many fewer games would the eagles have won if Wentz was injured the preseason?

How many fewer games would the Patriots have won with Garoppolo this year vs Brady? Based on what I saw last year... most likely a lot fewer.

I like to think about the scenario if you switch the players. Are the Eagles a better team with Brady than they are with Wentz? Possibly. Are the Patriots better with Wentz? Absolutely not.

 

[VrabelJr]

Antonio Brown is having a hell of a year. 1195 yards, 80 catches, 8 TDs.

 

[mgteich]

Please name the last 3 times “the new guy” won the mvp. Hell, name once.

So, you're not interested to discuss who the MVP should be, based on what the term MVP means. Fair enough.

 

[lancerman]

Brady winning it ONLY Twice in his career should tell you how much of Joke it is. He doesn't because it's 'Expected' of him to put up 12-14 wins, 3-4,000 yds and 30 something plus TDs etc etc etc. Also gives a narrative to mediots* to have something/one to compare him too. Remember when it was P.Manning, Rodgers, Luck, Newton, Ryan....... How did that play out last few years.
What's most important is TB's Four SB MVP Awards.

What years would you have given it to Brady that he didn't get it?

2016: Ryan led the league in virtually every stat from percentage, yards, Y/A, TD's, yards per game, and passer rating. While leading a top 10 all time offense in terms of production.

2015: Cam's team was going for undefeated until the last couple weeks of the season, his team was clearly the most dominant looking in football and he was clearly the best player on it, he was having an insane year from a passing/running perspective.

2014: Aaron Rodgers team had the same record as us (which also was a four way tie for best record) , his team beat us head to head, and he led Brady in virtually every passing stat.

2013: Peyton Manning had one of the all time great QB seasons and broke the TD and passing yards single season record.

Up to this point every MVP was either in the Super Bowl or MVP.

2012: Peterson was 9 yards shy of breaking the all time rushing record which was historic and one of the best RB seasons of all time.

2011: Rodgers team was 15-1 and clearly the best team in the regular season and Rodgers broke the record for single season passer rating

2010: Brady won largely for leading the best team in the league that year and his most consecutive passes without an interception as well as leading the league in rating and TD's

2009: I don't think Manning deserved this, but it was either going to Manning or Brees. So I don't think Brady should have won this one.

2008: N/A because Brady was out for the season.

2007: Brady won for having the greatest QB season of all time.

2006: LT won for breaking the rushing TD's record and leading the league in yards while being on what was considered the best team that year.

2005: This was a pretty unremarkable year. Shaun Alexander won it. Split vote. He was on pace for alot of records he didn;t get. I don't think Brady had much of a chance to get it this year.

2004: Manning had the best statistical QB season since Dan Marino's 1984 season and he broke the TD record.

2003: Split between Manning and McNair. Both were good. Brady could have got it this year but it wasn't egregious or anything.

2002: Gannon had a break out season and his team was great, our team didn't make the playoffs which is usually a minimum requisite for the award in recent years.

2001: Hard to argue against Kurt Warner this year. I love Brady, but he clearly wasn't getting it this year.

I don't really have much of an issue with it.
Peyton Manning has 5 (2 of which I personally am not a fan of him getting, but I don't think Brady was in the running either of those years)
Brett Favre has 3.

Then there are a bunch of people tied at 2. So even with "only 2" he's tied for third all time. If he got it this year, he'd be tied for second best. It's just a bit of a lightning in the bottle award.

 

[lancerman]

So, you're not interested to discuss who the MVP should be, based on what the term MVP means. Fair enough.

Doesn't matter what the term means. There's a precendent of who gets it and that largely comes down to

1. Best player on the best team.
2. Player doing something historic statistically on a contender team.

Since Brady's been in the league atleast 7 of the league MVP's broke some kind of NFL record. The one's who didn't were largely on a Super Bowl contender team and leading at their position in most stats.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

so the argument for Wentz is that his team has a better record. that didn't matter last year though did it? when Brady went 11-1, Ryan went 11-5. brady was robbed