Jacoby Brissett

[Simpelton]

There's only so much innovation even BB can do. He's built his offensive roster to suit a particular style of play. Sure, he can change that over time, but in the shorter term they are better off with a QB -- like Hoyer -- that can operate in the system than with one who needs a new system.

You're right, but the hypothetical here is to imagine Jacoby Brissett as a potential starter for hte Pats in the event that something incapacitated Brady. The fact that BB can probably tailor a team to Brissett is more relevant to that scenario than the fact that it might take him some time.

Also I wouldn't underestimate Belichick's ability to take what he has and find ways to make it work. He's been plugging in misfit pieces and making them work for his entire career. As long as Brissett bought into the program, I have no doubt whatsoever that Bill Belichick could make the playoffs with Jacoby Brissett under center.

 

[Simpelton]

Strong arm, decent release, got rid of the ball fairly quickly. The third attribute had to get better every year for the first couple of years. Foe Jacoby the quick release never progresses.

A quarterback with an average release can get by if he can avoid the rush, operate outside the pocket and make some good deep throws. Brissett can do that.

Longterm I'm a bit more concerned with Brissett's accuracy and timing than his quick draw ability. He has the attributes to compensate for that drawback as long as he can hit runners in stride and throw catchable footballs.

In other words, his average release time is a good reason why he's not Tom Brady, but a pretty mediocre reason why he can't be an NFL starter.

All who make judgments that Brisset is a proven star and starter realize, he has not even seen most teams more than once, yet. Think about that. D-coordinators will look at film before the second time.

You're right, but one team he has seen more than once was the Houston Texans, they had months to review the footage of the week 3 game last year by the time Jacoby rolled around, they knew he'd be the starter -- and he won that game.

 

[zoostation]

A quarterback with an average release can get by if he can avoid the rush, operate outside the pocket and make some good deep throws. Brissett can do that.

Longterm I'm a bit more concerned with Brissett's accuracy and timing than his quick draw ability. He has the attributes to compensate for that drawback as long as he can hit runners in stride and throw catchable footballs.

In other words, his average release time is a good reason why he's not Tom Brady, but a pretty mediocre reason why he can't be an NFL starter.


You're right, but one team he has seen more than once was the Houston Texans, they had months to review the footage of the week 3 game last year by the time Jacoby rolled around, they knew he'd be the starter -- and he won that game.

I agree. But when I say quick release I really mean able to process what he's seeing on the field and throw to the right guy in that 2 second window. The Pats probably hoped they could improve Jacoby's game in that area with coaching him up. Some of that can be taught (system/reading D) but a lot of it is a natural ability and instinct.

 

[Simpelton]

I agree. But when I say quick release I really mean able to process what he's seeing on the field and throw to the right guy in that 2 second window. The Pats probably hoped they could improve Jacoby's game in that area with coaching him up. Some of that can be taught (system/reading D) but a lot of it is a natural ability and instinct.

That's the sort of thing that can only come with practice. The Patriots could never have given Brissett the reps required to take theory and turn it into practice. Where he is right now is about the best place a guy like Brissett can be. If he's got it in him, then playing live football (after getting some good coaching from BB first) will get it out of him.

 

[Brady6]

Mike Reiss highlighted that the Colts have had the advantage in the trade in his quick hits.

Ties that bind for Bill Belichick at RB: From Joe Morris to Dion Lewis

 

[Simpelton]

Mike Reiss highlighted that the Colts have had the advantage in the trade in his quick hits.

Ties that bind for Bill Belichick at RB: From Joe Morris to Dion Lewis

I don't think I agree with that. We both got something we needed in exchange for an asset we couldn't use to its fullest potential. The fact that the Colts needed Brissett more desperately than we needed Dorsett is actually immaterial to the analysis of the trade -- the Colts are a weaker franchise, of course their backup quarterback was more likely to see extensive use this year than a 4th or 5th string wideout.

We were never likely to use Dorsett anywhere near as much as the Colts used Brissett, especially because the injury to Luck keeps playing to the worst case scenario. I think that's a false comparison because both teams still addressed an area of need with a simple 1 for 1 trade of an asset they weren't making good use of. That's still a good trade, regardless of who gets used more after the fact.

 

[Family]

Mike Reiss highlighted that the Colts have had the advantage in the trade in his quick hits.

Ties that bind for Bill Belichick at RB: From Joe Morris to Dion Lewis

While it is difficult to argue with Reiss narrow assessment, this looked to me like a columnist trying to find a reason to criticize the Pats with a subject that Patriots management (Bellichick) would be happy was written.

I don't think the Pats cared who won this trade. They had seen all they needed of Brissett, didn't want to tie up the roster spot, and needed WR depth with the injuries. It was a get what you could trade.

I am sure Bellichick is happy for Brissett's limited success. Maybe at this point he would have preferred to have received WR XXXX instead of Dorsett. But Reiss (nor anyone) doesn't know this.

This was nothing more than a puff piece for a player everyone liked, disguised as critical journalism.

 

[Simpelton]

I don't agree with this persistent narrative that trading Brissett away amounted to Belichick giving up on him, or dumped him for scrap. That doesn't feel like Bill to me. I think he traded present value to fill a potential need If we'd taken any further attrition at the WR position after the trade we would have been very glad to have Dorsett. I still have never seen a single sign that Bill was anything less than pleased with Brissett's progress.

 

[PP2]

I don't think I agree with that. We both got something we needed in exchange for an asset we couldn't use to its fullest potential. The fact that the Colts needed Brissett more desperately than we needed Dorsett is actually immaterial to the analysis of the trade -- the Colts are a weaker franchise, of course their backup quarterback was more likely to see extensive use this year than a 4th or 5th string wideout.

We were never likely to use Dorsett anywhere near as much as the Colts used Brissett, especially because the injury to Luck keeps playing to the worst case scenario. I think that's a false comparison because both teams still addressed an area of need with a simple 1 for 1 trade of an asset they weren't making good use of. That's still a good trade, regardless of who gets used more after the fact.

Dorsett has in fact, been solid for us. As a #3/4 receiver, he wasn't going to see the ball that much, but he has played error-free football, doesn't dogfake his routes, still draws attention, and has been a solid blocker. He doesn't complain either.

It takes a special something to run solid routes all game long, knowing that you're almost never going to get looks.

IMO, Dorsett is a solid acquisition.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

He's brutal in the 2nd half of games, he can't close.

Colts 2nd half scoring

Cardinals - 3pts
Browns - 3pts
Seahawks - 3pts
49ers - 17pts
Titans - 9pts
Jaguars - 0pts
Bengals - 10pts
Texans - 10pts
Steelers - 7pts

= 6.88 pts per 2nd half in Brissett starts.

He is what he is, a nice backup, the Colts offense is also averaging a touchdown less than they did last year with Luck dropped from 25.7 to 18 points a game.

People need to slow their roll on the Brissett hype here's the REAL facts, he's 3-6 in his starts and and his wins are against the Browns, the 49ers and Tom Savage at this exact moment neither has won a football game.

Another 3 point 2nd half and another double digit lead blown, Brissett is a nice backup, that's it.

 

[RayClay]

Colts won the trade. They are 3-8.

 

[Simpelton]

Another 3 point 2nd half and another double digit lead blown, Brissett is a nice backup, that's it.

I have to think the strength of the team has something to do with all this. The Indianapolis Colts are a very weak franchise right now. Luck was covering for that weakness to a certain extent. Their coaching staff is also just plain bad. If you guys had been watching the games, you'd see a definite strategic shift in the second half of a lot of Colts games where the coaching staff suddenly starts playing not to lose. I can't put that onto Brissett. Quite frankly I consider it a feather in Brissett's cap that he's able to get the team into a competitive position despite all the things the Indianapolis Colts don't have.

The fact that the Indianapolis defense tends to put in some very solid 45 minute efforts in games doesn't help either. Take a look at the number of points the Colts have allowed in the 4th quarter at some point. It's mind boggling. That combined with the play-not-to-lose menatlity of the Colts offense when they enter the second half with a lead, is what's limiting Brissett in the second half.

He makes a few mistakes that don't help either, although IMHO he makes less of these than an average rookie quarterback, but the core of the problem is strategic and based on roster construction and horrible coaching.

 

[TommyD4207]

I have to think the strength of the team has something to do with all this. The Indianapolis Colts are a very weak franchise right now. Luck was covering for that weakness to a certain extent. Their coaching staff is also just plain bad. If you guys had been watching the games, you'd see a definite strategic shift in the second half of a lot of Colts games where the coaching staff suddenly starts playing not to lose. I can't put that onto Brissett. Quite frankly I consider it a feather in Brissett's cap that he's able to get the team into a competitive position despite all the things the Indianapolis Colts don't have.

The fact that the Indianapolis defense tends to put in some very solid 45 minute efforts in games doesn't help either. Take a look at the number of points the Colts have allowed in the 4th quarter at some point. It's mind boggling. That combined with the play-not-to-lose menatlity of the Colts offense when they enter the second half with a lead, is what's limiting Brissett in the second half.

He makes a few mistakes that don't help either, although IMHO he makes less of these than an average rookie quarterback, but the core of the problem is strategic and based on roster construction and horrible coaching.

Brissett isn't a rookie.

 

[Brady6]

Another 3 point 2nd half and another double digit lead blown, Brissett is a nice backup, that's it.

Was Brissett playing defense, how did he give up the double digit lead? You are clueless if you think Brissett has a ceiling of a backup.

 

[Brady6]

Colts won the trade. They are 3-8.

Yeah because that is relevant to this discussion at all. The Colts have been a 500 team the last 2 seasons with Andrew Luck as their QB. The team is not good.

 

[farn]

Here's what I'd love to see : BB coaching "former Patriots still in the league" and see how well he'd do with the JG, Blount, Brissett team.

I'm guessing "better than Indy".

 

[TommyD4207]

Was Brissett playing defense, how did he give up the double digit lead? You are clueless if you think Brissett has a ceiling of a backup.

By not leading his team to any points and putting the game away?

Ceiling of a backup sounds about right.

 

[farn]

Yeah because that is relevant to this discussion at all. The Colts have been a 500 team the last 2 seasons with Andrew Luck as their QB. The team is not good.

Some of us think neither the team, not Luck are good.

 

[TommyD4207]

Yeah because that is relevant to this discussion at all. The Colts have been a 500 team the last 2 seasons with Andrew Luck as their QB. The team is not good.

So, Luck was a .500 QB, and Brissett is a .272 QB with the same team.

This means he's a 'starter' to you?

 

[Brady6]

By not leading his team to any points and putting the game away?

Ceiling of a backup sounds about right.

He is 23 years old starting his 10th career game. He went to the team he is starting for a the first week of the season. He has played well and you should all stop diminishing his play simply to try and make it look like it wasn’t a bad decision by Belichick. He traded a starting QB for a guy who has 7 receptions this season, can we be logical for a second and just consider that reality.