Bennett doesn't think Brady is GOAT that he has played with?

[JetFan79]

@JetFan79 -

Maybe my previous post wasn't convincing enough so I'll post an updated version. Added a few names here and there. I'm sure your opinion overrides theirs but just for fun here you go.

Those who claim Brady as the GOAT.

Players + Coaches:
Jim Kelly, Jim Brown, Fran Tarkenton, Boomer Esiason, Troy Aikman, Jeff Saturday, Kurt Warner, Joe Theismann, Terry Bradshaw, Donovan McNabb, Shannon Sharpe, Michael Robinson, Reggie Wayne, Ike Taylor , Michael Bennett, Michael Irvin, Jim Harbaugh, Nate Burleson, Brian Billick, Mike Ditka, Ron Jaworski, Ryan Clark, David Carr, Howie Long, Steve Mariucci, Marshall Faulk (with an asterisk), Deion Sanders, Brett Favre, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Hines Ward, Darrelle Revis, Barry Sanders, Aaron Rodgers, etc.. etc...

Oh and one more that might be of interest to you:

“No one’s done it better,” says Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Namath. “No one is comparable in dealing with the game, the way it’s changed.”

Media:

Charley Casserly, Adam Schein, Dave Dameshek ,

Speak for yourself: Not only greatest QB but on the mt rushmore of the greatest athlete of all time.
Jason Whitlock, Colin Cowherd


Max (mr. cliff) Kellerman, Stephen A. Smith,
First Take- Does His 5th Super Bowl Win Make Brady The Greatest Of All Time?(2/6/17)

Mile High Sports: Denver
Face it Broncos Country, Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all-time | Mile High Sports

PFT: National
Debate over: Tom Brady is the best ever

Kansas City Star: Kansas
Sam Mellinger: Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback, completes greatest Super Bowl comeback

Sportsday: Dallas
New England Patriots QB Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time, and it's not even close | SportsDay

Holy **** man!



I'll go through what appears to be a very thorough and impressive portfolio of evidence ya have there later.

Fyi, at first glance I obviously noticed the great one's (Joe) comment. And I agree 100%. Though he is also kind of limiting how good Brady actually is by making sure to specify Brady has taken advantage of the new NFL.

Which of course only leads me back to my previous argument.

But there is no question Tommy has taken advantage of the league and its recent changes better than anyone else. By far.

 

[FourierSeries]

Are fans of teams with only 1 SB still considered human beings? I believe I've read that the scientific community have reached a consensus on the matter, and the answer is a resounding "no."

Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Tony2046]

Holy **** man!



I'll go through what appears to be a very thorough and impressive portfolio of evidence ya have there later.

Fyi, at first glance I obviously noticed the great one's (Joe) comment. And I agree 100%. Though he is also kind of limiting how good Brady actually is by making sure to specify Brady has taken advantage of the new NFL.

Which of course only leads me back to my previous argument.

But there is no question Tommy has taken advantage of the league and its recent changes better than anyone else. By far.

Here's the thing man. Your argument is just silly. In one post you're leaning towards Montana as the GOAT and in another you dismiss Brady's accomplishments or GOAT status because of rule changes.

Rule changes work both ways. Salary cap, and Free agency "rules" both instituted for the sake of parity are also the "changes" the teams of this era have had to play under.

Anyways I don't need your analysis. All I did was provide you with players, coaches and media outlets who state that Brady is the best they've ever seen. There are many more who put him in the category of best ever. There are some that put him on the Mt Rushmore of the greatest athletes of all time. You can put him wherever you wish. If he were a Jete you'd have had him as the GOAT ten years ago.

The Peyton vs Brady argument officially died three years ago after SB 49. It was already dead in New England years ago because of Peyton's 9 one and dones and his propensity to choke away big games. Still a great QB though just not TB great.

The Montana vs Brady argument officially died a few months ago after SB 51. Second best QB of all time isn't a bad thing. Montana only made it to the big game four times but when he did he was money. But when he didn't he was getting blown out by the Giants. Geez, those pesky freaking Giants.

The Rodgers vs Brady argument has new momentum because of the death of the two previous arguments but it's likely to never see a public courtroom unless he finally gets back to the big game. His one ring isn't going to do it. But hey, he can be the greatest one ringed QB of all time. Oh wait.....Brett Favre?

 

[GodBrady]

You are just looking for something to be butt hurt about, this is a total non story.

I don't understand how people are so sensitive on this board. Honestly, it's disturbing how fragile some people are.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

America thinks after a media and NFL campaign to discredit his accomplishments. They successfully but wrongfully labled him a product of cheating. Most probably don't even know that his success improved after the spygate and deflategate scandles. (rendering the scandles merritless). "America thinks", cool. The NFL players have voted him the 4th best player in the league twice, 2nd and 3rd best once and the best....not best quarterback but best player period twice. I'm not ignoring Rogers's incredible skill set, I'm just putting it in its place. Brady's will to succeed is only matched by his actual success. He is obsessed. No one compares.

America thinks that Elvis is still alive.

Brady won the electoral college

 

[Wheelman]

I couldn't figure out who everyone was arguing with until someone @'ed them. I ignored that fool months ago, ya'll should do the same!

 

[meatface]

I don't understand how people are so sensitive on this board. Honestly, it's disturbing how fragile some people are.

It also makes us pointing out how sensitive other fans are really pathetic.

 

[goheels22002]

Appearances in a Super Bowl: Rodgers 1 - Brady 7
Super Bowls won: Rodgers 1 - Brady 5
Post-season record: Rodgers 9-7, Brady 25-9
QB in Super Bowls Bennett has won: Rodgers 0 - Brady 1
Bennett record in post season: Brady 3-0 (one season), Other QBs: 1-1 (8 seasons)

Marty Bennett should have caught that pass in end zone in OT in the Super Bowl.

 

[TBR]

Appearances in a Super Bowl: Rodgers 1 - Brady 7
Super Bowls won: Rodgers 1 - Brady 5
Post-season record: Rodgers 9-7, Brady 25-9
QB in Super Bowls Bennett has won: Rodgers 0 - Brady 1
Bennett record in post season: Brady 3-0 (one season), Other QBs: 1-1 (8 seasons)

Marty Bennett should have caught that pass in end zone in OT in the Super Bowl.

Gronk would've caught that if he entered the game in his street clothes.

 

[XLIX]

Whoops, thought I posted more along with links. Eh, trying to put the posts together on my phone while working can be a pain.

Oh well, just search "Rodgers vs Brady" and similar, and you'll find plenty of opinions on each side.

Again, this is just vs Rodgers. Not even Manning and the previous greats.

Simply stated, nothing is decided. There is not one undisputed goat. Not even close.

There will never be an "undisputed goat" of anything. The very nature of sports media and fandom encourages not only bias, but contrarian opinions; i.e. the guy who stands against majority opinion simply to draw attention to himself and his TV show/webpage/column/whatever.

Having said that, Tom Brady's status as the Greatest of All Time is as near of a consensus opinion you will ever find in the world of football.

 

[JetFan79]

There will never be an "undisputed goat" of anything. The very nature of sports media and fandom encourages not only bias, but contrarian opinions; i.e. the guy who stands against majority opinion simply to draw attention to himself and his TV show/webpage/column/whatever.

Having said that, Tom Brady's status as the Greatest of All Time is as near of a consensus opinion you will ever find in the world of football.

Well we can agree to disagree, but I will say something nice about the guy.

Was flipping through the channels the other day and some ESPN piece was on about Brady. I wanted to change the channel and/or dislike the guy, but I couldn't.

Think he was over in Japan teaching the game and sumo wrestling. He didn't exactly seem like the most likable guy, but he did seem like one hell of a driven dude, good father and great representative of the NFL/US.

 

[PatriotsReign]

... ha, don't think we're resolving this one today. I mean you're saying the goat has to be Brady when many (even majorities) will say Manning and/or Rodgers are better than Brady. Not even considering earlier generations.

I'm not saying that, because like I said I think ya gotta let some time pass to judge. I just know they're all great.

Add Mr Flake aka JetFan79 to the list that don't "believe" Brady is the GOAT. He's on the list that KNOWS Brady is by far, The Goat

Remember, you're from New fugg'n York dude!

 

[PatriotsReign]

Well that's part of the puzzle. You would have to compare the GOTEs to decide who the GOAT is.

Right now you have Brady voted number 1 by NFL players. You have ex great QB's (including those who played in Montana's era) calling Brady the best ever. You have mediots who have trashed Brady calling him the best ever.

So whatever your criteria is and whatever your case is for Montana there is a growing mountain of "experts" disagreeing with you.

Players:
Jim Kelly, Jim Brown, Fran Tarkenton, Boomer Esiason, Troy Aikman, Jeff Saturday, Kurt Warner, Joe Theismann, Terry Bradshaw, etc.. etc...

Media:

Mile High Sports: Denver
Face it Broncos Country, Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all-time | Mile High Sports

PFT: National
Debate over: Tom Brady is the best ever

Kansas City Star: Kansas
Sam Mellinger: Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback, completes greatest Super Bowl comeback

Sportsday: Dallas
New England Patriots QB Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time, and it's not even close | SportsDay

Great post!!! And the perfect reply to JF79 was in your PFT link.

"You can try to make an argument against it, out of bias or resentment or jealousy or whatever. You can try but you'll fail."

In other words, JetsFan79 is wrong, period.

 

[Bruins29]

Well we can agree to disagree,
.

You dissagree with this statement?

Tom Brady's status as the Greatest of All Time is as near of a consensus opinion you will ever find in the world of football.

This is a fact and have been proven and no that does not mean taking a random poll in San Francisco or what some dork Jets fan thinks.

 

[XLIX]

Well we can agree to disagree, but I will say something nice about the guy.

Everything I said was factually accurate. I wasn't even giving an opinion.

If he were a Jet, you'd be calling him the GOAT morning, noon and night.

 

[1960Pats]

Holy **** man!

I'll go through what appears to be a very thorough and impressive portfolio of evidence ya have there later.

Fyi, at first glance I obviously noticed the great one's (Joe) comment. And I agree 100%. Though he is also kind of limiting how good Brady actually is by making sure to specify Brady has taken advantage of the new NFL.

Which of course only leads me back to my previous argument.

But there is no question Tommy has taken advantage of the league and its recent changes better than anyone else. By far.

Glad to see a Jete fan who understands that Tommy LomBrady plays by the rules better than anyone else. By far.

The best thing about the rule changes is that they were designed to help the other QBs vs the Pats defense. I guess that strategy backfired.

After reading about Rodgers pathetic 0 winning % against winning teams when coming from behind, I'm shocked that anyone, even a Jete fan, would bring his name up here.

 

[JetFan79]

If he were a Jet, you'd be calling him the GOAT morning, noon and night.

Definitely a good chance of that. Any fan has their team colored glasses on.

 

[JetFan79]

You dissagree with this statement?

Tom Brady's status as the Greatest of All Time is as near of a consensus opinion you will ever find in the world of football.

This is a fact and have been proven and no that does not mean taking a random poll in San Francisco or what some dork Jets fan thinks.

I think I agree with that statement. Or at least there's a decent shot of it being true. Though that poll a couple years ago had more votes for Rodgers.

But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if right now Brady got the most votes for goat. The real test will be if he still does 10 years after he retires.

 

[XLIX]

I think I agree with that statement. Or at least there's a decent shot of it being true. Though that poll a couple years ago had more votes for Rodgers.

But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if right now Brady got the most votes for goat. The real test will be if he still does 10 years after he retires.

Well unless someone else wins 5 Super Bowls between now and then, I think that's a safe bet.

History remembers championships more than anything else. Unless he wins more Super Bowls, Aaron Rodgers is the type of guy who will fade in 10 years. Tom Brady's closest comparison is Joe Montana, and Joe Montana didn't fade.

 

[JetFan79]

Well unless someone else wins 5 Super Bowls between now and then, I think that's a safe bet.

History remembers championships more than anything else. Unless he wins more Super Bowls, Aaron Rodgers is the type of guy who will fade in 10 years. Tom Brady's closest comparison is Joe Montana, and Joe Montana didn't fade.

Maybe that's the big divide? How much someone values SBs.

I think it's an important piece of the puzzle, but certainly not the most important.

Hell, any legit list of best QBs probably contains Marino. And doesn't include Flacco.