Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

[aluminum seats]

Wow...still here. Go away for awhile, come back and this thread is here, like an old friend.

Well, "friend" might not be the right word.

 

[Simpelton]

You misread that post.

No. I responded to his premise and ignored his conclusion because it was the premise, and the premise alone, that was worth speaking to.

 

[Simpelton]

I'd bet the house 99.9% of us are more Patriots fans than Brady fans.

And saying the team is more important than Brady isn't a knock on Brady, it seems just the obvious truth.

Players come and go. Only the laundry endures, and only if the people responsible for managing the franchise don't make a colossal mistake like holding onto the past instead of preparing for the future.

Things are going to change, guys, nothing lasts forever. Sooner or later another quarterback will be leading the Patriots down the field no matter how well TB12 takes care of himself. I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to engage in a bit of harmless speculation about who that quarterback might be and how the most successful and pragmatic franchise in North American sport will manage the transition. Because you simply cannot hide behind TB12's age 40 stats to magically pretend he isn't 40 or that we're Not much closer to the end than the beginning. Entropy doesn't work like that.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

You should create a message board where you talk to yourself because that's what you have really been doing here.

Go ahead and try to back your position without bringing Elon Musk into it. "In 2069 there will be no human offensive lineman...."

You copiously spam the board with caricatures of what you wish others had said.

I consider the interests of the principals and ponder the nature of future risk/opportunity.

To this board's credit, both approaches appear to draw responses.

Now, answer the question, unless you are afraid to.

Do you believe that Brady will be our starter in 2022?

 

[Tony2046]

No. I responded to his premise and ignored his conclusion because it was the premise, and the premise alone, that was worth speaking to.

Hahaha. Sure. His point was clear. You didn't agree with it, attempted an old tired contort the retort trick and it failed.

You're not alone. This thread is full of split hairs, contortions, strawpeople (gender neutral) and misrepresentations.

I find it comical that people are twisting their colons into a diarrhetic frenzy to prove an unprovable point.

I don't know when Brady will hit his "cliff" and you don't know if JG can get the Pats to the Super Bowl.

I'd rather stay with a proven 5 time SB winner until he hits his cliff because I believe that results in more SB runs.

You'd rather not lose JG to FA because you believe he has shown during his injury laden game and a half that he could be a successful franchise QB.

 

[BlacknGold77]

the age cliff comes out of nowhere for older QBs, to not have the plan B ready to go neglectful.

For example, Peyton Manning:

age 37 - 5,477 yds, 55 td, 10 int
age 38 - 4,727 yds, 39 td, 15 int
age 39 - 2,247 yds, 9 td, 17 int and has his corpse carried to a ring by an all time defense

So 2 years...2 YEARS after setting the single season record for yards and touchdowns at 5,477 and 55 he is out of football...thats how fast it happens. And now Denver, who had no back up plan ready, is stuck wasting a SB caliber defense while it searches for the answer on the fly.

Yes, Brady was amazing last year and the 2nd best QB in football (statistically) but there isnt a gradual slip for old QBs, its night and day.

You have long term, continued success like SF, GB and Pitt by replacing ANYONE before they lose value. Clutching onto the past guarantees the franchise goes down in flames (Miami, Dallas, Oakland)

 

[Ring 6]

the age cliff comes out of nowhere for older QBs, to not have the plan B ready to go neglectful.

For example, Peyton Manning:

age 37 - 5,477 yds, 55 td, 10 int
age 38 - 4,727 yds, 39 td, 15 int
age 39 - 2,247 yds, 9 td, 17 int and has his corpse carried to a ring by an all time defense

So 2 years...2 YEARS after setting the single season record for yards and touchdowns at 5,477 and 55 he is out of football...thats how fast it happens. And now Denver, who had no back up plan ready, is stuck wasting a SB caliber defense while it searches for the answer on the fly.

Yes, Brady was amazing last year and the 2nd best QB in football (statistically) but there isnt a gradual slip for old QBs, its night and day.

You have long term, continued success like SF, GB and Pitt by replacing ANYONE before they lose value. Clutching onto the past guarantees the franchise goes down in flames (Miami, Dallas, Oakland)

Brady hasn't taken HGH.

 

[Simpelton]

Agreed. But I do think that Brady's poise and patience might allow him to limp along as a below average quarterback for a few more years. If he'd actually want that. I have to think that after tasting greatness for so long, mediocricy would be a sour dessert.

I think the team also senses that if Brady is anything less than perfect he has so little left to prove that he could retire rather abruptly. I suspect that's part of why Garoppolo is still here. And I would not be surprised if word came through that the team was also working extensively with Brissett in case there's a need to fill the r0le in that year 3 thru year 5 window.

 

[Simpelton]

Brady hasn't taken HGH.

1: That we know of
2: HGH prolongs careers. Brady not taking HGH is a pretty good sign that he's fine with his career having a natural tail. His fans should be braced for this
3: Roughly the same thing happened to Brett Favre, who has had no HGH allegations that I'm aware of.

 

[Ring 6]

1: That we know of
2: HGH prolongs careers. Brady not taking HGH is a pretty good sign that he's fine with his career having a natural tail. His fans should be braced for this
3: Roughly the same thing happened to Brett Favre, who has had no HGH allegations that I'm aware of.

How does a patriot fan become anti-Tom Brady.
Probably a trick question because you aren't really a patriot fan.

 

[Joker]

Poor George Blanda "fell" off the cliff at age 48 and retired from the nFL. He was 38/52 for 378 yards when called on as a backup QB at age 44. That was back in 1971, long before modern training regimens, diet and health advances

 

[Ring 6]

3: Roughly the same thing happened to Brett Favre, who has had no HGH allegations that I'm aware of.

Yeah just that pesky painkiller addiction which would have nothing to do with your body breaking down

 

[XLIX]

the age cliff comes out of nowhere for older QBs, to not have the plan B ready to go neglectful.

For example, Peyton Manning:

age 37 - 5,477 yds, 55 td, 10 int
age 38 - 4,727 yds, 39 td, 15 int
age 39 - 2,247 yds, 9 td, 17 int and has his corpse carried to a ring by an all time defense

So 2 years...2 YEARS after setting the single season record for yards and touchdowns at 5,477 and 55 he is out of football...thats how fast it happens. And now Denver, who had no back up plan ready, is stuck wasting a SB caliber defense while it searches for the answer on the fly.

Comparing Brady to Manning is ridiculous.

Manning hit his career "cliff" literally about 2 weeks after the NFL started testing for HGH. Only fools see a coincidence there.

 

[XLIX]

1: That we know of

Gimme a f*cking break.

Congratulations. Truly a new low from the Garoppolites.

 

[Ring 6]

Comparing Brady to Manning is ridiculous.

Manning hit his career "cliff" literally about 2 weeks after the NFL started testing for HGH. Only fools see a coincidence there.

He's a steeler fan troll.
He is here praying he can figure out a way Brady leaves soon so his team can stop being embarrassed.

 

[BlacknGold77]

Poor George Blanda "fell" off the cliff at age 48 and retired from the nFL. He was 38/52 for 378 yards when called on as a backup QB at age 44. That was back in 1971, long before modern training regimens, diet and health advances

no, he fell off the cliff at age 40....Oakland was nice enough to pay him to hold a clipboard for 8 years.

ages 40-48 totals:

126 games
1,835 yards
23 td
18 int

so , an average season of: 229 yds, 3 td, 2 int...thats not just falling off the cliff, thats building a house and living at the bottom of it

 

[BlacknGold77]

He's a steeler fan troll.
He is here praying he can figure out a way Brady leaves soon so his team can stop being embarrassed.

No, Im a Patriots fan...not my fault you have zero boston sports knowledge.

the Black and Gold = BRUINS aka their nickname
77 = Ray Bourque

Its not rocket science, but then again expecting you to show any sign of logic or intelligence is like expecting a dog to do calculus

 

[XLIX]

No, Im a Patriots fan...not my fault you have zero boston sports knowledge.

the Black and Gold = BRUINS aka their nickname
77 = Ray Bourque

Its not rocket science, but then again expecting you to show any sign of logic or intelligence is like expecting a dog to do calculus

Stick to hockey because you sure as sh*t don't know football.

 

[Joker]

no, he fell off the cliff at age 40....Oakland was nice enough to pay him to hold a clipboard for 8 years.

ages 40-48 totals:

126 games
1,835 yards
23 td
18 int

so , an average season of: 229 yds, 3 td, 2 int...thats not just falling off the cliff, thats building a house and living at the bottom of it

Blanda had a better FG % for Oakland when he was 48 than when he was 42, played all 14 games as Oakland's FG kicker until age 48 and STILL managed to play an important back-up role as QB fior the Raiders when he was 44. I SAW him play. You are minimizing his accomplishments to buttress your own non-existent point.

Try pro-football-reference.com some time, Buford.

 

[BlacknGold77]

and its not just Manning, look through history, QBs careers are not gentle declines, by and large they are sudden drop offs.

Favre, Montana, Young,

Blanda had a better FG % for Oakland when he was 48 than when he was 42, played all 14 games as Oakland's FG kicker until age 48 and STILL managed to play an important back-up role as QB fior the Raiders when he was 44. I SAW him play. You are minimizing his accomplishments to buttress your own non-existent point.

Try pro-football-reference.com some time, Buford.

bahahahaha, so youre saying Brady has been secretly practicing kicks at night? Or that the debate about a Quarterback declining in skills has anything to do with kicking?

Dont you think if he could still throw a ball he would've been kicking? Congrats, he could scrape himself off the bench to swing his leg 5x a game.

how about you try football reference, because he was an average at best kicker for oakland.

Sporting a "deadly" 62.7% FG accuracy.