Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

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I disagree because we are talking about the GOAT and a year early very likely means a SB less.
The difference between JAG and whoever is not worth throwing a SB away for.

But I'm curious about this statement.
Are you saying that is best for the patriots is get rid of Tom Brady while he can still play at this level so you can avoid having him around the year he breaks down?
If he breaks down THIS YEAR are you saying it would have been better to cut him LAST YEAR?
Cliches are tricky so I want to understand if you really mean that.

I agree with Nanchucks. If BB decides to switch QB's one year early, then I'm going with that decision.

 

[scout]

What?
Being the GOAT is meaningless to you?
I guess it's a good thing no one asked you after the 2014 KC game since Brady is only as good as his last game.

Where did I say that? You have to decide if the question is based on the present variables. Are we talking about the past or making a decision regarding the future?

 

[Ring 6]

I haven't seen any fans, let alone many, say that Brady should be replaced or dumped.

If I were Garoppolo I wouldn't stay here, if only because half of our fans can't spell his name correctly.

There are many. Just read the board.

 

[Ring 6]

Where did I say that? You have to decide if the question is based on the present variables. Are we talking about the past or making a decision regarding the future?

We are talking about the player.
You says he is only as good as his last game.
I disagree.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree with Nanchucks. If BB decides to switch QB's one year early, then I'm going with that decision.

One year early could mean a SB.
For what?

And I'll say the same thing to you I said to him.
If Brady loses it this year that means you are saying he should have been dumped before last year (one year too early) instead of after this year (one year too later). Really? You would give up last years championship to not endure the year Brady loses it?
Not sure where the sense is in that.

 

[scout]

We are talking about the player.
You says he is only as good as his last game.
I disagree.

Again, I didn't say that.....I'm in the club which cuts a player early then late. The player's accomplishments are not part of the equation. It's A versus B. Doesn't matter which round they were drafted or how many games they won. Your point of view differs from mine. I'm ok with that.

 

[Ring 6]

Again, I didn't say that.....I'm in the club which cuts a player early then late. The player's accomplishments are not part of the equation. It's A versus B. Doesn't matter which round they were drafted or how many games they won. Your point of view differs from mine. I'm ok with that.

You literally said he is only as good as his last game.

So if Brady loses it this year you would rather we cut him before last year than have to have kept him due this year right? That is exactly what one year too early instead of one year too late means.

When it is the GOAT who is still winning you SBs that is a foolish approach.


By the way the record of the player means everything.
Remember you are endorsing getting rid of him one year too soon. That means while he is still playing at a very high level. How do you know it is only one year too soon? That is gambling against the player and what that player has accomplished factors into gambling against him.

 

[Nunchucks]

You literally said he is only as good as his last game.

So if Brady loses it this year you would rather we cut him before last year than have to have kept him due this year right? That is exactly what one year too early instead of one year too late means.

When it is the GOAT who is still winning you SBs that is a foolish approach.


By the way the record of the player means everything.
Remember you are endorsing getting rid of him one year too soon. That means while he is still playing at a very high level. How do you know it is only one year too soon? That is gambling against the player and what that player has accomplished factors into gambling against him.

You aren't factoring in that it is Belichick making the decision. You should ask him.

 

[Ring 6]

You aren't factoring in that it is Belichick making the decision. You should ask him.

No itbis you saying how you prefer decision to be made.
I have no doubt belichick will ride Brady until he either doesn't want to play any more or there is no question he is done.

 

[lancerman]

The Browns with Kosar never won more than a single playoff game in a post season campaign. Only had 5 winning seasons. Never had a Super Bowl win.

The Patriots with Brady went 15 years with no losing seasons, only two playoff campaigns where they didn't win at least a game, 11 advances to the conference championship game, 7 Super Bowl appearances, 5 Super Bowl wins in probably the most dominant stretch in the Super Bowl era.

The Patriots have a lot more to lose. Some fans have anxiety that we hold onto Brady too long, lose a potentially good QB in Jimmy, and then Brady declines and we are screwed. Some fans feel anxiety that we might run Brady out of town several years too early for an unproven player who may never accomplish anything. Those are both very possible outcomes. The reality is we don't know how long Brady has and we don't know if Jimmy will actually be good for an extended period of time (we've seen RGIII and Kaep play like stars for a full season and then rapidly decline, we've only got a game and a half of good play out of Jimmy).

The reality is you do everything to hold onto both until you need to make a decision and then you see what the reality is at that point.

 

[scout]

You literally said he is only as good as his last game.

So if Brady loses it this year you would rather we cut him before last year than have to have kept him due this year right? That is exactly what one year too early instead of one year too late means.

When it is the GOAT who is still winning you SBs that is a foolish approach.


By the way the record of the player means everything.
Remember you are endorsing getting rid of him one year too soon. That means while he is still playing at a very high level. How do you know it is only one year too soon? That is gambling against the player and what that player has accomplished factors into gambling against him.

As I said, we disagree. I will continue to read the thread.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

So if Brady only has one game left is the laundry better off with him? 8 games? 16 games? 32 games? Where's the line? Because there is a line somewhere, as anyone who's not a ballwasher can see.

"The team is better off with Brady, no matter what" is simple-minded, idiotic nonsense. At some point the ongoing decrease in number of games he has left will outweigh him being better than his replacement.

There isn't always a clear line since players experience upswings and downswings in small samples. I'd wager we'd need two seasons of frequent ineptitude while healthy to say Brady's done. Sometimes bad streaks happen (or even bad seasons), but a disproportionate amount of poor play over two years means it's time to pull the plug.

With pulling the plug or not in mind, if Brady plays well this upcoming season, give him at least two more years as a starter. There is a 90-95% change Jimmy isn't going to be good enough to be a Super Bowl calibre quarterback based on the NFL's usual sample of starting talent. Since Tom Brady could win a title even on the decline based on his history, why go with a guy who will likely fail versus the one who's won 5 and could win another in an Elway scenario? I could see the Patriots winning a title with a 44-year-old Brady handing the ball off except for quick throws across the middle as long as we have a stellar defense. Even with Jimmy having a better arm at that point, I don't like his odds because of intangibles. Tom Brady is the GOAT because of his stellar intangibles rather than physical gifts and chasing him out the door for Jimmy is foolish unless Brady is relegated to a wheelchair or begins to eat only cheeseburgers.

Tom is like that hockey player that is feisty enough to have a spot on the roster even when his teeth have little tombstones of their own.

 

[1960Pats]

Some of you just need to live in the moment and stop looking for any little excuse to move from TB12. Last memory the whole NFL world has is him leading the team to a fairy tale comeback. The guy is going to go down as an immortal in the sports world can't we just enjoy the last few years he has left? Because as of now he is the GOAT and nobody compares to his ability, mental toughness, and his will to win within current QBs or past. He's the MJ of the football world and part of our team. Let him go out on his terms.

I've been looking for excuses to move from the NYFL. They've given me plenty.

I'm still enjoying Brady being here. The most amazing thing about Brady and the team is how every time you think they've done the impossible they one up themselves. I can only imagine what's in store for us down the road.

Brady is more dominant in his game than MJ was in his. I'd compare Brady more to Bill Russell, the most dominant player of them all.

I don't think that any player really has the right to go out on his own terms. That includes Tommy LomBrady.

 

[CutiePie]

i completely trust BB to make the right decision regarding the QB position

In BB we trust

who cares what certain fans think

 

[Joker]

well then...all that's left is for you to marry ME. I just love p-i-e...

 

[CutiePie]

well then...all that's left is for you to marry ME. I just love p-i-e...

i love you and boots with all my heart

my therapist gave up on me

 

[PatriotsReign]

So the question is, would it be better to keep Brady for another 2 great years and trade JG only to find out he becomes a top QB for the next 10-12 years?

Tough decision

 

[Ring 6]

As I said, we disagree. I will continue to read the thread.

That's fine. At least you admit to it.

 

[RayClay]

What does Bernie Kosar have to do with Brady again? Congrats on a long thread, anyway.

 

[Ring 6]

What does Bernie Kosar have to do with Brady again? Congrats on a long thread, anyway.

Reading is fundamental.