Amendola vs Hawkins for the final WR spot.

[bormio]

Edelman plays so hard that he's always at risk of injury. Already a lot of mileage on those treads even though he's about the same age as Hawkins. So I still think that Belichick might view Hawkins also as an Edelman understudy rather than as simply competition for Amendola.

But then you are keeping 6 WR plus Slater - not happening likely. Unless someone on PUP.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Read the board.
There are MANY people saying Brady should be cut, traded, or retire so that the team can be turned over to JAG.

the consensus of this board is the timetable should be Brady only stays as long as he can to not lose JAG instead of Brady stats as long as he is capable of playing near his current level.

BB ever the realist, has realized that Brady is in decline, already. How else do you interpret his very atypical off-season moves? BB has loaded up on offensive players to help an aging Brady make a final campaign, if I am reading BB correctly, in an attempt to compensate for Brady's deterioration.

Open your eyes. What did the first 40 minutes of the past Superbowl indicate to you? I think I know what BB saw.

 

[bormio]

BB ever the realist, has realized that Brady is in decline, already. How else do you interpret his very atypical off-season moves? BB has loaded up on offensive players to help an aging Brady make a final campaign, if I am reading BB correctly, in an attempt to compensate for Brady's deterioration.

Open your eyes. What did the first 40 minutes of the past Superbowl indicate to you? I think I know what BB saw.

I guess Rodgers is done too. This is simply silly.

 

[Stumpy]

To me the signing makes sense. It's typical BB. You get a proven vet, he's quick, he's fast, he can contribute on special teams, cheap contract, and MOST importantly, he's intelligent. One injury and he's in the game.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

BB ever the realist, has realized that Brady is in decline, already. How else do you interpret his very atypical off-season moves? BB has loaded up on offensive players to help an aging Brady make a final campaign, if I am reading BB correctly, in an attempt to compensate for Brady's deterioration.

Open your eyes. What did the first 40 minutes of the past Superbowl indicate to you? I think I know what BB saw.

I believe the first 40 minutes of the Super Bowl showed that our JAG receivers struggled to get seperation in man coverage.

It wasn't until the Atlanta DB's got tired out, did our passing game start to click.

Brady eats zone coverages for lunch (just ask a Steelers fan).

With Gronk back & the addition of Cook, teams are going to have a hard time using man coverage, because you can't double both of them.

 

[Stumpy]

BB ever the realist, has realized that Brady is in decline, already. How else do you interpret his very atypical off-season moves? BB has loaded up on offensive players to help an aging Brady make a final campaign, if I am reading BB correctly, in an attempt to compensate for Brady's deterioration.

Open your eyes. What did the first 40 minutes of the past Superbowl indicate to you? I think I know what BB saw.

Everybody will decline at some point. Even if Brady hasn't yet or not, BB is stocking this Offense with guys who can get open quickly to limit the amount of time Brady hangs onto the ball. You're right BB is a realist and knows it's coming sooner or later. You're also right in pointing out Brady was not very sharp for most of the first half at least. There were a couple drops but also Brady missed some throws, easy to excuse considering the pounding he was taking for most of the game.

 

[deroc5050]

This is such bullsh.t. You have absolutely no idea if Garrapolo will last two games, let alone be great, and for that matter neither does Belichick. Andrew Luck was CAN'T MISS and he's done nothing. They have the GOAT and he's still the best player in football and shows no sign of slowing down, you don't ditch that in a hunch. You play Brady's career out and keep training his backups then go from there, you don't dump the best player in football, period.

Enough with the BONER for Garrapolo bullsh.t. Go f.cking root for Max Kellerman.

If that doesn't make sense to you.. you are really short sited. I know your love for Brady is 2nd to none, but you have to be realistic. Look at all the facts before you go blabbering about boners.

 

[deroc5050]

What leads you to believe JAG makes us better than any of those mediocre franchises?

By the actions.. or lack of actions by Bill Bellichick himself.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You should stick with Hockey.
How are Slaters special team stats?

Hawkins was a legend in the CFL for his special team skills.
Unless you don't thinks Belichick values open field tackling skills.

That CFL field is a lot bigger than the NFL field.
When was the last time Amendola made an open field tackle?

Cyrus Jones was a great return man in college.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If that doesn't make sense to you.. you are really short sited. I know your love for Brady is 2nd to none, but you have to be realistic. Look at all the facts before you go blabbering about boners.

Feel free to show us the facts that show that Brady is in decline, all I see are facts that show that he is getting better.

Make that fact based case, you will be the first to do so. All I see are people glomming onto the Kellerman's Cliff Theory, except that according to that he was supposed to suck last season.

Make that fact based case, let's see it?

I'll be waiting, probably for another 5 years but I'll be waiting. Show us Brady's decline?

 

[supafly]

Look at all the facts before you go blabbering about boners.

Just something to keep in mind @Joker.

 

[Ring 6]

BB ever the realist, has realized that Brady is in decline, already. How else do you interpret his very atypical off-season moves? BB has loaded up on offensive players to help an aging Brady make a final campaign, if I am reading BB correctly, in an attempt to compensate for Brady's deterioration.

Open your eyes. What did the first 40 minutes of the past Superbowl indicate to you? I think I know what BB saw.

Brady was the best QB in the NFL in 2016 and played the best SB any QB ever has. Decline? Child please.

The only difference in this offseason was the amount of money available.

Other than cooks it was let a guy go, replace him with a similar guy. There was no loading up.

You are not reading anything correctly based upon that post.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If that doesn't make sense to you.. you are really short sited. I know your love for Brady is 2nd to none, but you have to be realistic. Look at all the facts before you go blabbering about boners.

What I have is immense respect for Brady for everything he has accomplished for this franchise. I also believe in him and feel that he has earned that belief from Patriot fans, and I think it's disgusting to see so many turn on him for the shiney new object that couldn't make it through two games when he was needed for four. And the truth of the matter is that the same people wanted to run him out of town in 2014 and they used the same idiotic arguments then that they are using now. So go ahead and try to make a fact based argument that demonstrates Brady's decline, or shut the hell up about it until you can.

 

[Ring 6]

By the actions.. or lack of actions by Bill Bellichick himself.

Because he decided to keep him around at a 1 mill salary in case anything goes wrong?

Do you expect him to name JAG starter?
After all if no matter what Brady does he is gone after this year because you would rather have JAG why wouldn't you okay JAG since he will be your QB next year?

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Cyrus Jones was a great return man in college.

Now that is something we can agree on.

Cyrus looked like a deer in the headlights, not to mention the hands of a clumsy waiter last year.

 

[mgteich]

Except it is not a decision at all. Unless Amendola gets injured it is his job. Hawkins has only a realistic shot if a WR or Slater gets injured.

I doubt that he will have this sudden breakout in camp where he outplays most other WRs on the team. At this point of his career he is what he is..

You have the situation exactly backwards.

If one of the top 4 receivers are injured in camp or the pre-season, then we need a #4 receiver, a backup and injury protection receiver, who would often be inactive. Hawkins would then make the 53.

If Amendola were injured, we need a solid punt returner, hopefully one who could fill some other emergency role, since he would always be active. Hawkins is NOT that player.

 

[deroc5050]

Feel free to show us the facts that show that Brady is in decline, all I see are facts that show that he is getting better.

Make that fact based case, you will be the first to do so. All I see are people glomming onto the Kellerman's Cliff Theory, except that according to that he was supposed to suck last season.

Make that fact based case, let's see it?

I'll be waiting, probably for another 5 years but I'll be waiting. Show us Brady's decline?

I don't think Brady is in decline. I think he has 3 years left. I have said that repeatedly, I am just going by what BB has said, and has done. And reports from Schefter that have all been right so far. The last one being "they want to keep him beyond 2017" draw your own conclusions.

Again I will say that I think Brady has 2 or 3 years left of Brady level play.

 

[luuked]

You have the situation exactly backwards.

If one of the top 4 receivers are injured in camp or the pre-season, then we need a #4 receiver, a backup and injury protection receiver, who would often be inactive. Hawkins would then make the 53.

If Amendola were injured, we need a solid punt returner, hopefully one who could fill some other emergency role, since he would always be active. Hawkins is NOT that player.

That's exactly what I said.

Dola and Hawkins have nothing to do with each other. The #5 WR + ST player is his job unless he gets injured. Hawkins is injury depth for WRs in general. Don't know what's so difficult to understand or requires disagrees.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

Amendola. He's trusted and comes up big in the biggest moments.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

But then you are keeping 6 WR plus Slater - not happening likely.

Who would you project as the cut then, seeing as how Cooks, Hogan, Edelman, and Mitchell are locks?

I guess I concede. Absent an injury, it's Hawkins or Amendola.

Amendola offers far more experience and likely more on special teams with his punt return ability, while Hawkins offers quite a bit more athletic ability. So short term (this year) Amendola likely wins that contest.