OT: Bears crumbling, paving way for Jimmy G?

[PatsWickedPissah]

So is there any reason why the Pats can't give Jimmy a 1-2 year extension after this season for a nice bump in pay?

None other than he would get FAR more than a nice extension on the open market if the folks posting here are right about getting a top 5 #1 pick for him

 

[Sciz]

So is there any reason why the Pats can't give Jimmy a 1-2 year extension after this season for a nice bump in pay?

The biggest reason is probably Garoppolo's agent, who would explain that it doesn't make much sense to delay a potential $100 million extension in favor of a two year, $15 million one.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The biggest reason is probably Garoppolo's agent, who would explain that it doesn't make much sense to delay a potential $100 million extension in favor of a two year, $15 million one.

Important fact: the GOAT lord and the GOAT apprentice have the same agent, Don Yee.

 

[The Gr8est]

The biggest reason is probably Garoppolo's agent, who would explain that it doesn't make much sense to delay a potential $100 million extension in favor of a two year, $15 million one.

Maybe they could do a 1 year extension that works for both parties. It would likely depend on how good Brady still looks by the end of the year, but a guaranteed big bump for one year may be tempting if it looks like Jimmy will be the Pats' future QB rather than the Bears'.

 

[XLIX]

There will be options, as there are every year. Free agents such as Kirk Cousins. Potential trades such as Tony Romo. Top incoming Hesiman-worthy QBs from the draft, and current backups with limited experience such as Garoppolo.

Romo is going to be a UFA. No one is going to take on that contract of his and Dallas certainly won't keep a backup at that number.

But unlike Garoppolo, Romo is not a good long term solution for an abysmal team. Romo's best fit is a team that is playoff caliber but just needs a good QB.

 

[Tony2046]

I commend you on continuing your efforts to better yourself in an area that's become sadly neglected throughout the country.

Sorry Deus. My post was too aggressive. My apologies. Bad day I guess.

 

[supafly]

Romo is going to be a UFA. No one is going to take on that contract of his and Dallas certainly won't keep a backup at that number.

But unlike Garoppolo, Romo is not a good long term solution for an abysmal team. Romo's best fit is a team that is playoff caliber but just needs a good QB.

I agree with your thoughts, particularly your last sentence.

I think DAL recoups something for Romo and another team pays him his current rate for a 1-2 yr rental, so we'll have to see how that plays out.

My bottom line is that I just don't see Garoppolo commanding a top 10 pick, but I sure hope that I am very wrong.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sorry Deus. My post was too aggressive. My apologies. Bad day I guess.

No need to apologize for that. I appreciate the gesture, though.

 

[carmelo15]

Seriously this isn't rocket science, Garrapolo has to be traded he's not getting tagged or resigning for some phantom discount. It's him or Brady if you think Brady can do this for 3-5 more years you keep him. And we're not getting a top 5 pick more like a 2nd and 2018 1st

 

[pazrul72]

Seriously this isn't rocket science, Garrapolo has to be traded he's not getting tagged or resigning for some phantom discount. It's him or Brady if you think Brady can do this for 3-5 more years you keep him. And we're not getting a top 5 pick more like a 2nd and 2018 1st

I am curious how you know they won't get a top 5 pick? In other years when there was a luck or an RGIII or even a Mariota I would agree with you but have you looked at the QB's coming out this year? Garbage one and all. Grop is the FAR safer call and if you are a franchise in desperate need of a signal caller Jimmy's million dollar smile is worth giving your fans hope again. The Bears make too much sense so I would bet he ends up somewhere else but I could easily see a deal where they swap first and second round picks with a team picking in the top 5

 

[slash83]

Chicago isn't parting with a top 5 draft pick for Jimmy.

 

[luuked]

I am curious how you know they won't get a top 5 pick? In other years when there was a luck or an RGIII or even a Mariota I would agree with you but have you looked at the QB's coming out this year? Garbage one and all. Grop is the FAR safer call and if you are a franchise in desperate need of a signal caller Jimmy's million dollar smile is worth giving your fans hope again. The Bears make too much sense so I would bet he ends up somewhere else but I could easily see a deal where they swap first and second round picks with a team picking in the top 5

The Brock Osweiler experience might have made teams a bit more protective about giving away lots of resources for a young QB with a small sample size of games. Just to be clear, I am not comparing the two QBs so please leave me alone with replies that do just that but my point is that despite of what we think of Jimmy there is only so much tape available.

You might say that this limited amount of tape still is a better indicator than most of the pre-draft info on QBs that are getting drafted but those players are also considerably cheaper on a longer contract than anyone would get Jimmy for.

I wouldn't be surprised about trade offers that include pick combination distributed over 2017 and 2018 with the latter one being a conditional based on playtime.

 

[pazrul72]

The Brock Osweiler experience might have made teams a bit more protective about giving away lots of resources for a young QB with a small sample size of games. Just to be clear, I am not comparing the two QBs so please leave me alone with replies that do just that but my point is that despite of what we think of Jimmy there is only so much tape available.

You might say that this limited amount of tape still is a better indicator than most of the pre-draft info on QBs that are getting drafted but those players are also considerably cheaper on a longer contract than anyone would get Jimmy for.

I wouldn't be surprised about trade offers that include pick combination distributed over 2017 and 2018 with the latter one being a conditional based on playtime.

The key point that makes Jimmy attractive THIS year is the other team doesn't have to give him a 20 million dollar contract until next year and if he is as good as I think he is (a top 10ish QB) they can franchise him. That is worth some serious draft capital just look what the eagles and redskins gave up for unproven potential. I agree that a deal with a conditional pick of him signing a long term deal makes sense for both sides but I don't think a top 5 pick somehow somewhere is totally insane based on the dynamics of this year's QB market. Other years I could understand why a team might want the cheap 5 year contract but IMO the talent gap between Jimmy and the available rooks is too large.

 

[luuked]

The key point that makes Jimmy attractive THIS year is the other team doesn't have to give him a 20 million dollar contract until next year and if he is as good as I think he is (a top 10ish QB) they can franchise him. That is worth some serious draft capital just look what the eagles and redskins gave up for unproven potential. I agree that a deal with a conditional pick of him signing a long term deal makes sense for both sides but I don't think a top 5 pick somehow somewhere is totally insane based on the dynamics of this year's QB market. Other years I could understand why a team might want the cheap 5 year contract but IMO the talent gap between Jimmy and the available rooks is too large.

I understand all of this but there is not enough tape on Garappollo to proof that he is that good. Now fortunately the opposite is also true meaning that there is no tape showing big issues but I think people are getting carried away a bit with his stats line when the most important trait for a QB (apart from competency) is to be consistent.

If the Pats wanna put him on the block they will market the **** out of his performance while all potential trade partners will emphasize that he only played 1.5 games in total.

We will see but I wouldn't be surprised if the returns will once again underwhelm a lot of people here.

 

[Rob0729]

For people dead set against trading Garoppolo, just remember back to Sunday and remember how the QB who was dubbed as the future of NFL just three years ago looked as the starter in San Fran. And people were calling him that after a full year that ended in a Super Bowl appearance and not just six quarters.

 

[Rob0729]

So is there any reason why the Pats can't give Jimmy a 1-2 year extension after this season for a nice bump in pay?

Because Jimmy will refuse. Give him $20 million a year fully guaranteed and I think he might take it.

He is going to get $18 million a year like Osweiller somewhere.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

For people dead set against trading Garoppolo, just remember back to Sunday and remember how the QB who was dubbed as the future of NFL just three years ago looked as the starter in San Fran. And people were calling him that after a full year that ended in a Super Bowl appearance and not just six quarters.

There's a difference between a running QB who can't hit 60% of his passes and a pocket QB who's hitting 70% of his passes.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

There's a difference between a running QB who can't hit 60% of his passes and a pocket QB who's hitting 70% of his passes.

The running qb has a much shorter career projection all o lines being equal.

At the end of the day if a team believes jimmy g can win them games, then a top five pick in a draft with no highly rated qb's is a small price to pay.

 

[Rob0729]

There's a difference between a running QB who can't hit 60% of his passes and a pocket QB who's hitting 70% of his passes.

Then look at Carson Wentz. He was lighting the world on fire in September. He is downright average now.

And there is a difference between 16 games and six quarters.

 

[The Gr8est]

Chicago isn't parting with a top 5 draft pick for Jimmy.

That's OK, there are plenty of other QBs on the market, maybe the Bears can sign one of the proven winners available, or take a chance on the weak draft class.

They could even keep Cutler, he's due right?

Remember Bob Kraft initially refusing to trade a 1st round pick to the Rats so that they would release BB from his contract?

The Bears may want to keep in mind that they are not the only team in the market for a franchise QB, and there WILL be competition if the Pats decide to trade Garoppolo.