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I could stand a trade for Nick Mullens (next year)

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Not a fan, but I can see the thought process. He’s a dink and dunker which fits our system.
i just don’t see the composure and clutch play on vital drives that is probably the most important piece to me.
I haven't seem much of Carolina but I remember the Minnesota playoff game when he brought them down for a field goal attempt with little time left and the kicker doinked it. I think he is in the Jimmy G slot, good but dinged up a lot. Still, if we have to get a veteran qb I would like Jimmy or Teddy.
 

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I've liked what I've seen from Mullens since he entered the league. He's quick, decisive, productive, and can move in the pocket. A little fine tuning of his tactical awareness to cut down on the picks, and this guy could be a stealth stud.

The 49ers are not going to walk away from Jimmy G and they have Garoppolo and Beathard ahead of Mullens on the depth chart. He could be acquired in trade, probably for a fair price measured in draft picks, since the 49ers need to restock. His performance in his cameos marks him as a better QB than anyone we have right now. If he's coachable, he could be a good pick for a midterm bridge QB or even grow into our permanent starter. It'd be an experiment worth trying IMHO

the 9ers stand to save 20M or so in cap space by dumping Jimmy G after this season
 

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I like Mullens with the idea that he has upside and room to improve but for a late 4th or a 5th rounder tops because he can also fail and then you need to move on fast, you don't waste a lot of time if this trade goes wrong.
 

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Also, on Bridgewater. I'm just going off what the Panthers fan forum is saying, but it seems like a lot of the users there have turned on Bridgewater, I wonder if he's not playing well, but maybe Belichick can coach him up?
 

Simpelton

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the 9ers stand to save 20M or so in cap space by dumping Jimmy G after this season
Sure, but they also stand to contend again if Jimmy G stays healthy. I'd be surprised if any organization walked away from a franchise QB in his prime, even if he has health issues.

Right now their best chance to compete for Superbowls is a healthy Jimmy G and both Garoppolo and the franchise know it

It's a pipe dream to think the 9ers are going to walk away from that. That's the whole reason I think they might actually consider parting ways with Mullens. They are not walking away from Jimmy G less than 1 year after he took them to the Superbowl. Nobody does that. It's insane to suggest it.
 
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Simpelton

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Neither.

You play the game to win not to have a pretty stat.
Are you just arguing for the hell of it?

The best way to win is to have an efficient, accurate quarterback. Not a quarterback who used to win games in a completely different system for a completely different coach. Your argument is completely nonsensical.
 

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I like Mullens with the idea that he has upside and room to improve but for a late 4th or a 5th rounder tops because he can also fail and then you need to move on fast, you don't waste a lot of time if this trade goes wrong.
That's not practical. I doubt I'm the only one Mullens is impressing. His talent is pretty obvious to those who are paying attention. If you're going to get Mullens, a high second is the minimum I'd expect to pay. Similar to what we got back from Jimmy G in the first place.
 

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Are you just arguing for the hell of it?

The best way to win is to have an efficient, accurate quarterback. Not a quarterback who used to win games in a completely different system for a completely different coach. Your argument is completely nonsensical.
No the best way to win is to have a QB who makes plays that win games, who performs in the clutch, who can make the right read on key plays, and plays his best when the game is on the line.
Stats are for losers and what is nonsensical is to value hollow stats built in losses.

My argument is I want a qb with the qualities that lead to wins, your is pretty stats in losses. Which is nonsensical?
By the way you intent on calling someone who disagrees with you, and explains in detail why, things like insane and nonsensical just illustrates you have no real argument and have to resort to childish moves like that. You should move on.
 

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Sure, but they also stand to contend again if Jimmy G stays healthy. I'd be surprised if any organization walked away from a franchise QB in his prime, even if he has health issues.

Right now their best chance to compete for Superbowls is a healthy Jimmy G and both Garoppolo and the franchise know it

It's a pipe dream to think the 9ers are going to walk away from that. That's the whole reason I think they might actually consider parting ways with Mullens. They are not walking away from Jimmy G less than 1 year after he took them to the Superbowl. Nobody does that. It's insane to suggest it.


after beating the pats, they have not been able to run the ball, and their defense has been a problem.......they don't need to do anything with garoppolo, but are in a good spot to do something with him cap wise
 

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If you see value in Mullens, why in the world wouldn't you want to keep Stid? They're quite similar, only Mullens has been given more opportunity. But there is so much value to having 2 years experience in an offense over a new guy. Just look at Brady in TB, there's issues with the smartest QB ever in a new system - even one that they tried to tailor to him! I'll say it again, if we're talking some mediocre vet FA, I'd rather roll with Stid to give him a shot. Which is what I think Cam is as well - a below average passer, but good leader and runner.
 

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How in God’s name is this thread still going? No offense to the OP, but between liking Kizer and now Mullens, we shouldn’t be taking his opinion on QBs very seriously. Mullens is a back-up whose weaknesses are largely hidden by Shanahan’s system and, even then, he’s a turnover waiting to happen. We don’t need more back-ups. We have 3 of them, currently. We need a starter. And that should come from the draft this year with perhaps a bridge QB in between.
 

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after beating the pats, they have not been able to run the ball, and their defense has been a problem.......they don't need to do anything with garoppolo, but are in a good spot to do something with him cap wise
Would be rather in the nature of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, wouldn't you say? Especially because they'd be selling low if they moved Jimmy G in this offseason.

I know if the situation was reversed there'd be a large share of the fanbase that would be going WTF if we gave up on a guy with Jimmy G's talent for anything short of an amazing return, which you're not getting in a season cut short with injury.

Look, I get it, I'd love to have the guy back too, it's just not practical to think the 9ers are going to let go of a fan favorite premium QB who just took them to the Superbowl.

Besides, as fragile as he is, I'm not sure I'd give up anything near what the 9ers would accept for him. Dude has gotten hurt 3 of the 4 seasons a team has attempted to rely on him which resulted in Brissett, Beathard and Mullens getting starts he should have been able to take. The dude puts his body on the line to make plays, and that's amazing when it works but whenever it fails there's a high risk of injury. Not a good trait in a longterm premium QB.
 

Simpelton

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No the best way to win is to have a QB who makes plays that win games, who performs in the clutch, who can make the right read on key plays, and plays his best when the game is on the line.
Stats are for losers and what is nonsensical is to value hollow stats built in losses.

My argument is I want a qb with the qualities that lead to wins, your is pretty stats in losses. Which is nonsensical?
By the way you intent on calling someone who disagrees with you, and explains in detail why, things like insane and nonsensical just illustrates you have no real argument and have to resort to childish moves like that. You should move on.
So basically Brock Oswieler and his winning record as a backup is your ideal quarterback.

BTW you haven't explained anything, you've just quoted nonsensical cliches. And I'm not insulting your arguments, simply describing them.

It is the height of insanity to insist that winning football games is the only thing that matters and completely ignoring how games are won and lost.

And yes, I'll take a skilled YOUNG quarterback who loses a few games but knows how to play well and whose flaws seem fixable, over a mirage who gets carried by a good team
 

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I get the feeling that the lion's share of pushback I'm getting on this thread is from people holding out for the pipe dream of a return of Jimmy G. Guys, it's not happening. The 9ers are not walking away from Jimmy G, he's the centerpiece of their marketing and he just took them to a Superbowl. he's making them far more money than he costs them and they're not cutting the heart out of their franchise for 20M in cap savings.

Even if it made sense to do it, which it probably doesn't, it would be way more likely that they just restructure his deal to shave a few mil off the cap instead of literally gutting their offense by getting rid of their best offensive player
 

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So basically Brock Oswieler and his winning record as a backup is your ideal quarterback.

BTW you haven't explained anything, you've just quoted nonsensical cliches. And I'm not insulting your arguments, simply describing them.

It is the height of insanity to insist that winning football games is the only thing that matters and completely ignoring how games are won and lost.

And yes, I'll take a skilled YOUNG quarterback who loses a few games but knows how to play well and whose flaws seem fixable, over a mirage who gets carried by a good team
Seriously are you dense?
The Broncos won DESPITE Osweiler. You have to get your nose out of a stat sheet and watch football.
No one watching thought Osweiler was the reason Denver won and in fact they had a worse record with him, so he fits my argument better than yours.

I have explained in great detail how to login beyond a stat sheet and place value in what wins games. You don’t want to go beyond completion percentage.

Yes it is insanity to ignore how games are won and lost. Which is why I pointed out a winning team with a mediocre QB turned into a losing team with mullens. His stats that you love are not contributing to winning games. He does not make plays when it matters. That is what separates winning QBs and stat compilers.
With the same players around him Mullins loses when Jimmy g wins, and Jimmy g is a huge question mark.

You seem to think that this is about comparing a good an in a bad team to a bad qb on a good team. That’s all in your odd imagination.
It’s about evaluating mullens. That evaluation is that he takes a winning team and turns it into a losing team BECAUSE OF HIS PLAY. He has already been benched once for a slug (beathard).
If you think he can become a better qb because he can do under pressure situations what he does against a soft defense protecting a lead ( one it got because of how mullens played so far in the game) then you might throw a late round pick and have him compete to be your back up. But nothing he has done on the nfl comes close to showing you can make him your starter and win with him.
So other than making a straw man argument and trying to claim that brock
Osweiler going 5-2 on a 12-4 team (that’s was 7-2 with a noodle armed washed up qb) is the counter argument to the argument that most important qualities in a win are not stats but situational play, making plays that win games and compiling stats after you put your team in a hole, never dig out but get pretty numbers throwing against a soft defense is irrelevant, do you really have any argument?

how many games have you watched mullens play?
how many times have you seen him take the field for a clutch drive? How many succeeded?
how many times have you seen him okay poorly, get his team in a hole then run up stats and never get back in the game?
This is how you evaluate a qb, not ooh look at the nice completion percentage, let’s make him our qb and teach him not to throw Ints, and surround him with a less talented team than the one he is losing with and pray.
 

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Mullens isn’t an upgrade over Cam imo. Was not very good today and that’s putting it nicely. Gonna be tough to see SF let Jimmy go at this rate.
 

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