Manning lays another playoff egg...

[BradyisGod]

Ya it is too bad some cannot evaluate a player according to how he and his team did in the playoffs with a WIN. He did do enough to win. He helped get Adam the ball 5 times. Who else threw the 14 yard pass to seal the deal? That must have been Dungy wearing #18. MY BAD.

Had the Ravens put together just one good offensive series, would you say that he did enough to win?

You are arguing that he did enough to win, but its a function of another part of the team, namely the defense that they came away with a W.

 

[Richter]

139 with a loss is worse.

Worse for the team, but not worse for the player in terms of evaluating him. Some people take it too far with the whole "win and it's a good game, lose and it's a bad game" thing. Brady isn't a great quarterback just because his teams won, it's because he raises his game in the playoffs and produces. He's the reason the Pats won so many of those games, and Manning is the reason the Colts lost so many of those games. Just because Manning doesn't produce, and in fact lowers his game on the big stage, but his team wins, doesn't vindicate him, no matter how you slice it.

 

[The Predator]

Had the Ravens put together just one good offensive series, would you say that he did enough to win?

You are arguing that he did enough to win, but its a function of another part of the team, namely the defense that they came away with a W.

Who was the QB that got the Colts into feild position for 5 AV field goals? It must have been Peyton's teamate

 

[Richter]

Who was the QB that got the Colts into feild position for 5 AV field goals? It must have been Peyton's teamate

Well two of them were the direct result of turnovers, and a third was a fortunate doink off the crossbar. Let's ignore that though. Sure, 15 points was good enough to win today, against an awful Raven's offense putting up a scant 6... but that STILL doesn't make the Colts' offensive performance , nor Manning's, good! Such a thing as "bad and worse" exists. Unless you live in a black and white world where things can only be good and bad, I guess.

 

[The Predator]

Worse for the team, but not worse for the player in terms of evaluating him. Some people take it too far with the whole "win and it's a good game, lose and it's a bad game" thing. Brady isn't a great quarterback just because his teams won, it's because he raises his game in the playoffs and produces. He's the reason the Pats won so many of those games, and Manning is the reason the Colts lost so many of those games. Just because Manning doesn't produce, and in fact lowers his game on the big stage, but his team wins, doesn't vindicate him, no matter how you slice it.

Could you please answer this? Tom Brady, 2001 SuperBowl, 145 yard 1 TD. The guy layed an egg. Those stats stink. Much of those yards came on the last drive. He laid an egg. He got the SuperBowl MVP?????????

 

[The Predator]

Well two of them were the direct result of turnovers, and a third was a fortunate doink off the crossbar. Let's ignore that though. Sure, 15 points was good enough to win today, against an awful Raven's offense putting up a scant 6... but that STILL doesn't make the Colts' offensive performance , nor Manning's, good! Such a thing as "bad and worse" exists. Unless you live in a black and white world where things can only be good and bad, I guess.

Who ever said it did???? All that matters is who won. Thats it. If Peyton goes all the way through the playoffs to win the SB and does the same thing as today in each game, does that SB not count? Is the monkey still on his back? He would be the greatest QB of all time according to the media because he got his ring. Nobody would ever remember his stats.

 

[Richter]

Could you please answer this? Tom Brady, 2001 SuperBowl, 145 yard 1 TD. The guy layed an egg. Those stats stink. Much of those yards came on the last drive. He laid an egg. He got the SuperBowl MVP?????????

Those stats don't stink. They aren't gaudy, but they're solid. And they're light years better than the 3 pick game Peyton had today. Not to mention, Brady was directly responsible for putting together the drive that won that game. Sorry, but you're grasping at straws.

 

[Richter]

Who ever said it did???? All that matters is who won. Thats it. If Peyton goes all the way through the playoffs to win the SB and does the same thing as today in each game, does that SB not count? Is the monkey still on his back? He would be the greatest QB of all time according to the media because he got his ring. Nobody would ever remember his stats.

In terms of evaluating Manning? Sure it counts, but it will always be viewed (by impartial observers) as a season where the Colts got hot in the playoffs and their defense carried them, while Manning stunk the joint out and got carried along for the ride. Sure, he'd have a ring, but nothing would change those facts.

 

[F0nSY]

Wanna title

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Could you please answer this? Tom Brady, 2001 SuperBowl, 145 yard 1 TD. The guy layed an egg. Those stats stink. Much of those yards came on the last drive. He laid an egg. He got the SuperBowl MVP?????????

And a lot of people said it should have been Vinitraitor or Ty Law. What's your point?

 

[The Predator]

Those stats don't stink. They aren't gaudy, but they're solid. And they're light years better than the 3 pick game Peyton had today. Not to mention, Brady was directly responsible for putting together the drive that won that game. Sorry, but you're grasping at straws.

You are hilarious. The best word that fits you is HOMERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Brady had under 100 yards going into the last few minutes of the game and that is solid? Dude, I do not know what you are smoking, but I want some. Ty Law could have been the MVP of that game as well.

 

[The Predator]

And a lot of people said it should have been Vinitraitor or Ty Law. What's your point?

The freaking point is all that matters is the W. Do you get it yet?

 

[Richter]

And a lot of people said it should have been Vinitraitor or Ty Law. What's your point?

And to put it in perspective, if Manning went to the Superbowl, threw for a buck fifty and a touchdown, was efficient and led the game-winning drive and the Colts defense continued to dominate, all resulting in a Colts win, I would have no problem handing Manning the MVP in that situation. He'd still be a choker to a certain degree, because one win can't erase multiple, crushing failures (see: Phil Mickleson), but it'd go a hell of a long way towards rehabilitating his rep. Throwing 3 picks and failing to produce at a level that is expected and lucking into a win wouldn't have the same effect, even IF the talking heads continued to display their ridiculous bias towards Manning and his team.

 

[Richter]

You are hilarious. The best word that fits you is HOMERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Brady had under 100 yards going into the last few minutes of the game and that is solid? Dude, I do not know what you are smoking, but I want some. Ty Law could have been the MVP of that game as well.

You're right, Ty could have been. But Brady rose to the occasion at the end of the game and produced. His numbers WERE solid, no matter what you think. There was no 3 or 4 in the INT column of his stat line. I really wonder what you must be smoking, to live in such a strange world where player evaluations come down to only one sole factor, that may or may not reflect their performance.

 

[SVN]

In terms of evaluating Manning? Sure it counts, but it will always be viewed (by impartial observers) as a season where the Colts got hot in the playoffs and their defense carried them, while Manning stunk the joint out and got carried along for the ride. Sure, he'd have a ring, but nothing would change those facts.

honestly no one will care..he has enough numbers already to hide whatever happens in the playoffs if his team wins the SB...its the W that matters...lets not our universal hate for manning start making -ve reasons for a potential SB win for the colts
bottomline if they win the SB they deserve it which includes manning

 

[Richter]

honestly no one will care..he has enough numbers already to hide whatever happens in the playoffs if his team wins the SB...its the W that matters...lets not our universal hate for manning start making -ve reasons for a potential SB win for the colts
bottomline if they win the SB they deserve it which includes manning

Of course it's the win that matters, but when you're evaluating a player, you don't say, "Well, he sucked hard, but his team won, therefore he must be good". And that situation, while the Colts would be deserving, Manning would still be deserving of the rep of playoff choker, even if his awful play ultimately couldn't sabotage his team. If you don't think that's the case, there just isn't enough common ground to continue the discussion.

 

[The Predator]

You're right, Ty could have been. But Brady rose to the occasion at the end of the game and produced. His numbers WERE solid, no matter what you think. There was no 3 or 4 in the INT column of his stat line. I really wonder what you must be smoking, to live in such a strange world where player evaluations come down to only one sole factor, that may or may not reflect their performance.

I can't argue with a homer who avoids facts. 145 + 1 TD sucks. What QB in the NFL would keep his job if he threw 145 yards + 1 TD for every game of the season? That would be 2320 yards for the season which SUCKS. Please give up your smokes.

You seem to not comprehend what the word "evaluate" means. What one single thing that you have posted has shown any evaluation of Peyton's play today? Saying he had a bad day or layed an egg is not evaluation. A three year old could do that. I dunno, maybe he did.

You have not offered a single thing that has analyzed Peyton's performance.

 

[SVN]

manning and offense held the ball for the last 7+ minutes in the 4th quarter against a D which played well..he got adam v in FG range...sure these things go un noticed because of the picks but i think they are also important in the outcome and should be part of his 'evaluation'...lets not talk about penalties etc...even the pats have been helped by those ..its the good teams which take adv of those and the colts and manning did that today.

 

[Richter]

I can't argue with a homer who avoids facts. 145 + 1 TD sucks. What QB in the NFL would keep his job if he threw 145 yards + 1 TD for every game of the season? That would be 2320 yards for the season which SUCKS. Please give up your smokes.

You seem to not comprehend what the word "evaluate" means. What one single thing that you have posted has shown any evaluation of Peyton's play today? Saying he had a bad day or layed an egg is not evaluation. A three year old could do that. I dunno, maybe he did.

You have not offered a single thing that has analyzed Peyton's performance.

My god, you really are obstinate. 145 and a TD, plus leading the game winning drive does not suck. You can play stupid games with the numbers like extending it over the course of a 16 game season, but it doesn't change the fact Brady had a solid day. Totally unspectacular, but clutch when it counted, put a score up on the board and didn't turn the ball over. Whether you want to say that sucks or is solid, I think you'd agree it's a lot better than 3 picks and no touchdowns.

And while I don't need to provide analysis to say Peyton laid an egg, here's some: He had happy feet all day, two of his picks were bad reads and bad overthrows, he was sloppy in his decision making, missing an open receiver on the same side of the field as his primary read at least 5 times by my count, all this despite excellent protection all day long from his line. Beats your "analysis" of "Well, his team won, therefore he didn't lay an egg".

Edit: Oh, and YOU seem to have no idea what the word evaluate means. It means to judge the value or worth of something. Saying that Peyton laid an egg is a judgement on the value of the worth of his play. Maybe not up to your "lofty" standards, but an evaluation nonetheless.

 

[BradyisGod]

Predator, what is your problem man?

If you want to continue to crap on Tom Brady it's your perogative. But the SB XXXVI performance was a fine one. Let's make clear that he was 16 for 27 which is a 60%. Peyton was 15 for 30 today. Exactly 50%.

Tom Brady in SB XXXVI never put his team in any danger by making any mistakes. 0 INT. Peyton threw 2 today. Much more danger of losing.

The game winning drive in the SB only resulted in a FG. That measn Tom did something right in the middle of the game too by throwing a TD. Peyton had none today.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth b/c on the one side you say Peyton was "good enough today", but you criticize Brady, when his performance was clearly better in SB XXXVI.