Matt Patricia no longer employed by the Pats.

[Real fan 02]

I like the attack style better, bend but don't break works until the 4th quarter and you NEED a stop to win the game. The problem with attack is that it is more dependent on individual talent. Good teams can exploit the weak links.

Yeah definitely, your said it spot on.. talent.. when we've had the talent we've been able to attack.. with Law, Gilmore for example we took away a teams #1 so we were able to attack...

 

[Ring 6]

The article actually says CURRAN THINKS he is done here. His contract is up but many rumors say he would be welcomed back so there is more to come on this.

 

[Ring 6]

I like the attack style better, bend but don't break works until the 4th quarter and you NEED a stop to win the game. The problem with attack is that it is more dependent on individual talent. Good teams can exploit the weak links.

What’s wrong is to be exclusively one way. Bend but don’t break is mislabeled and misunderstood. No defense says we are happy to allow you to get to the red zone, then we will care. Rather, prioritizing not giving up a big play loosens the defense and makes it more susceptible to long drives of short gains.
Conversely an attacking style creates more negative plays to keep the offense behind the sticks but is susceptible to more big plays.
Neither is “better” and a good defensive scheme incorporates both respective of down and distance, opponent, the quality of your own offense, etc.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Watch his interviews, and let me know what you think... publicly he comes of as socially awkward.. yes, not saying the guy doesn't have a personality but sometimes people can be different in front of a camera and another in private..

No question hes horrible in front of the camera and at press conferences. As a leader he is also horrible.

But when I hear "socially awkward" I think of a person in a company of one or several people in a causal setting and being unable to interact gracefully and with confidence.

 

[Real fan 02]

No question hes horrible in front of the camera and at press conferences. As a leader he is also horrible.

But when I hear "socially awkward" I think of a person in a company of one or several people in a causal setting and being unable to interact gracefully and with confidence.

Yeah u definitely get what you're thinking... socially awkward like speaking to the media is what I was trying to say..

He's been around football for what almost 20 seasons, you'd think he'd be a bit better equipped... but then again BB had these guys so programmed that it shouldn't be a suprise that these guys are that way towards the media.. I don't think I've ever seen football people so bad with the media like he and judge..

 

[Real fan 02]

What’s wrong is to be exclusively one way. Bend but don’t break is mislabeled and misunderstood. No defense says we are happy to allow you to get to the red zone, then we will care. Rather, prioritizing not giving up a big play loosens the defense and makes it more susceptible to long drives of short gains.
Conversely an attacking style creates more negative plays to keep the offense behind the sticks but is susceptible to more big plays.
Neither is “better” and a good defensive scheme incorporates both respective of down and distance, opponent, the quality of your own offense, etc.

It's a scheme is what bend but don't break means.. it's telling the QB we'll make you go on long drives and stop you in the red area. I don't think teams are saying... ok yeah we'll bend but don't break persay..

However talented defenses attack and Don't allow the offense to dictate..

Every DC has thier own scheme, as it was mentioned it's based on the personel and the talent.. we weren't Bend but don't break with ty law, or Gilmore.. because we had the talent of lockdown corners playing press man.. and guys upfront that shut down the run and attack the QB..

This day and age in the NFL offenses have all the rules geared In thier favor.. however if you can dictate like say what the Jets do.. then you keep and offense pedestrian..

 

[raduray]

I pretty much agree with this, and with the benefit of hindsight I think last year’s OC debacle was the result of Belichick not seeing anyone he wanted as a full time OC available, so rather than hire/fire someone after one year he kept it within his staff and waited for O@Brien’s contract at Alabama to expire, knowing he wanted to get back to the NFL, and this would be his best route. And I do think Patricia could still end up in a front office/ Ernie Adam’s role, but wants to try and catch on as a coach right now.

If that's the really the case, and that he purposely wasted a year, that doesn't speak well for him.

 

[patfanken]

It’s crazy. I posted that story here the other day about Breer saying he thinks the Pats would consider trading Mac for good compensation, which was directly quoting long sections of what he actually said. I noticed that in the days after that, at least 10 or more random websites posted “stories” saying Mac WILL be traded with their source being the same lines uttered by Breer but taken severely out of context.

Breer has done some pretty good reporting over the years, but he's not above dangling a made up story in order to create a narrative and clicks. I guess they all HAVE to do it, with the possible exception of Reiss. But the more I think on the more convoluted it becomes.

Think about the steps. First he opines that the ONLY was the Pats would consider trading him is for a premium (read first round pick). Now based on his 2022 season, WHAT team would do that. ESPECIALLY in a year where you have plethora of loose QB's running around for free. " hey would couldn't get Aaron Rodgers or Lamar Jackson for a first, so we'll give one to the Pats for a QB whose stats wouldn't make the top 25 amongst starters."

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. So all you have to do is put together a scenario that is at BEST vaguely plausible, and YOU too can create thousands of clicks. THAT is the nature of how we get our news today. You can throw **** against the wind and EVENTUALLY someone else will report your wild speculation as FACT. Meanwhile good and NECESSARY reporting gets painted with the same brush and we end up believing only what we want to hear.

 

[archstanton543]

If that's the really the case, and that he purposely wasted a year, that doesn't speak well for him.

It wasn't the case.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

What’s wrong is to be exclusively one way. Bend but don’t break is mislabeled and misunderstood. No defense says we are happy to allow you to get to the red zone, then we will care. Rather, prioritizing not giving up a big play loosens the defense and makes it more susceptible to long drives of short gains.
Conversely an attacking style creates more negative plays to keep the offense behind the sticks but is susceptible to more big plays.
Neither is “better” and a good defensive scheme incorporates both respective of down and distance, opponent, the quality of your own offense, etc.

No argument from me, a defense needs to keep the offense off balance. You still need talent and an aggressive attitude to attack when the time is right to be considered an attacking defense.

 

[Water Boy]

Giving someone an opportunity is not setting him up for failure. There is no way that BB would have made the move if he thought that it would go so badly. BB's failure was thinking that MP could be successful as an OC. At least MP has enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball that he should be able to find another job.

The move to make Matt Patricia OC was universally viewed as foolish. Expecting MP to do a respectable job in year one and not set back the development of the QB demonstrates extreme ignorance or extreme arrogance.

And if the report is true, not giving Caley a shot because he wanted the OC title further reeks of arrogance. It exposes the lie that BB isn’t big on titles. He is obsessed with titles. SB and Mayo both labeled as LB coaches is also a f’n joke.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I personally feel it's illogical to trade Mac, it makes no business sense too.. he's under team control, his rookie contract..

BB to me... owes it to the organization to allow this season to get the offense right and get Mac back

Mm

If that's the really the case, and that he purposely wasted a year, that doesn't speak well for him.

I certainly don’t think that was his intention, but he’s still responsible for it.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The move to make Matt Patricia OC was universally viewed as foolish. Expecting MP to do a respectable job in year one and not set back the development of the QB demonstrates extreme ignorance or extreme arrogance.

And if the report is true, not giving Caley a shot because he wanted the OC title further reeks of arrogance. It exposes the lie that BB isn’t big on titles. He is obsessed with titles. SB and Mayo both labeled as LB coaches is also a f’n joke.

I wasn't defending the decision to go with MP, as you say it was universally seen as foolish. I was making the point that BB didn't intentionally set MP to fail.

 

[Water Boy]

Really?? Following BB for a while now it seems as though he always believed that any coach can coach any position or group. He was wrong here, but even though he was can never lose respect for him. Last year was a bad year for him and the Pats, but he has taken steps to insure that this team can get back to focusing on better days.

I’ve always trusted BB except for some egregious errors he’s made in the draft, I respected the right he earned to not resign Brady and forge his own destiny without the goat.

We all absolutely have the right to lose respect for him based on how he’s performed without Brady. What he did with the offense last year is indefensible.

 

[Real fan 02]

I wasn't defending the decision to go with MP, as you say it was universally seen as foolish. I was making the point that BB didn't intentionally set MP to fail.

The reason he claims he isn't big on titles all has to do the $$$$.. the title is what brings the OC or DC the pay..

So by him not Naming titles he won't have them pay them the average salary whatever that may be..

 

[Lavictoire]

I volunteer to drive him to the airport.

 

[maust]

It’s crazy. I posted that story here the other day about Breer saying he thinks the Pats would consider trading Mac for good compensation, which was directly quoting long sections of what he actually said. I noticed that in the days after that, at least 10 or more random websites posted “stories” saying Mac WILL be traded with their source being the same lines uttered by Breer but taken severely out of context.

How many of them had you ever heard of before that day? Wondering if there's maybe something going on in the disinfo sphere there?
The 'kingsofbostonsports' site linked to kick off this bad faith craptastic thread is sketchy, whether it's by design or ineptitude is the question. I'm not normally inclined to discount Hanlon's Razor but...

 

[Ring 6]

It's a scheme is what bend but don't break means.. it's telling the QB we'll make you go on long drives and stop you in the red area. I don't think teams are saying... ok yeah we'll bend but don't break persay..

However talented defenses attack and Don't allow the offense to dictate..

Every DC has thier own scheme, as it was mentioned it's based on the personel and the talent.. we weren't Bend but don't break with ty law, or Gilmore.. because we had the talent of lockdown corners playing press man.. and guys upfront that shut down the run and attack the QB..

This day and age in the NFL offenses have all the rules geared In thier favor.. however if you can dictate like say what the Jets do.. then you keep and offense pedestrian..

We have always been what some would consider bend don’t break, we just don’t bend when we have more talent. Our scheme ALWAYS prioritizes not allowing big plays.
No defense is conservative all the time or aggressive all the time.

 

[Ring 6]

No argument from me, a defense needs to keep the offense off balance. You still need talent and an aggressive attitude to attack when the time is right to be considered an attacking defense.

Some defenses attack to cover weaknesses.

 

[Ring 6]

The reason he claims he isn't big on titles all has to do the $$$$.. the title is what brings the OC or DC the pay..

So by him not Naming titles he won't have them pay them the average salary whatever that may be..

He doesn’t care about assistant coach pay