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Kony Ealy - bold prediction, won't make roster

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This thread has gone on for 10 pages now and will likely add several more before it dies its well deserved death. But here's the thing. To quote that great philosopher, Allan Iverson, "It's practice". And the thing some people seem to forget that PRACTICE is when you TRY things you wouldn't try in a game. This goes especially for the defense where the OTA's are spent just learning the language and where to line up.

All the angst about JG's interceptions are a joke. Who's to say that some weren't the product of a coach coming to him and saying, "Jimmy, today we are trying to see which receivers are good at catching 50-50 balls, so whenever you get the chance try and fit it in there, even though you wouldn't in a game". Or it's Jimmy himself allowing himself the luxury of testing the limits of his arm and judgment. Of course some were just bad passes and judgment, but maybe not all. Don't forget Jimmy is still learning about the game and his own limitations, where Brady has had 18 years to figure that out.

Same goes for Ealy. There is no other position on the team outside of QB, that requires as much learning and ramp up time than the DE/OLB position in the Pats defense. You have to rush with your hand in the dirt and standing up. You have to cover passes, you have set the edge from different positions, you have be ready to move inside. And if all you did was rush the passer in your former defense, or one gap against the run; the transition can be quite a shock. That is what Kony Ealy is facing just SEVEN (the 2 non-pad practices are nothing more than league mandated OTA's) practices into his Patriots career.

So he has not only a new language, new techniques, at the team's most unique position on the defense, he also has a media that is grading his results from 200 yds away, and a fan base who expects immediate impact from day one.

From a coaching stand point, Ealy is smack dab in the middle of the "one step forward, 2 steps back" phase of his learning curve. The REAL question (at least to me) is whether Ealy has the patience and "want to" enough to accept the coaching and wait for the results to start to improve over the next month.

The fact is that most players instict is to rebel against that. They have things they do well, and they want to keep doing those things. It is HARD to go back to learn different techniques. It's hard, to go back and fail while you learn things you already thought you knew. It's hard to play in a defense that is so reliant on what everyone else is doing, especially when you played in a system where you did what you did and let the result tell you how well it turned out. That's why BB has always said, "this place is not for everyone". It's HARD, especially for new vets.

So, I'm in the camp that isn't all that worried about the results of what Ealy is doing in TC. I only worry about his attitude. If he "buys in" then I believe he will eventually end up being a productive member of the DE rotation, regardless any blips in TC. If he doesn't and simply wants to do what he does, THEN he will find his stay with the Pats to be a short one, and he will wind up being the "Steve Martin" of the 2017 team.
 
FWIW, Ealy is listed as a starter in the first unofficial depth chart on the Patriots' website listed today.

Unofficial Depth Chart
 
This thread has gone on for 10 pages now and will likely add several more before it dies its well deserved death. But here's the thing. To quote that great philosopher, Allan Iverson, "It's practice".

Iverson was hammered, and rightfully so, for that bit of stupidity.
 
Iverson was hammered, and rightfully so, for that bit of stupidity.

But the Iverson situation was completely different. Iverson and Larry Brown had a bad relationship and Iverson would miss practices and meetings and the media got on Iverson for missing practices by claiming he had an injury. It has nothing to do with the Ealy situation at all. All Ken is doing is paraphrasing Iverson's infamous quote.

If the Pats go 0-2 to start the season, and I say "To quote, Bluto Butarsky, 'Was is over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?'", does it mean the Patriots were expelled from college from Dean Warmer?
 
But the Iverson situation was completely different. Iverson and Larry Brown had a bad relationship and Iverson would miss practices and meetings and the media got on Iverson for missing practices by claiming he had an injury. It has nothing to do with the Ealy situation at all. All Ken is doing is paraphrasing Iverson's infamous quote.

If the Pats go 0-2 to start the season, and I say "To quote, Bluto Butarsky, 'Was is over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?'", does it mean the Patriots were expelled from college from Dean Warmer?

Ken's main point, which could have been condensed to "We don't know what BB thinks of Ealy's progress and likely potential, as of now", is a reasonable counter to any Ealy hysteria, although it's meaningless as an analytical response to people making judgments based upon their own analysis. But Ken is also trying to excuse poor practices, and he starts off by using the terrible example of an idiot (Iverson) denigrating practices. What do you think would happen to Ealy if he walked into BB's office tomorrow and went on a "We talking practice" rant? He'd be cut before he finished speaking, because "We talking practice" doesn't fly under the current Patriots regime.
 
Ken's main point, which could have been condensed to "We don't know what BB thinks of Ealy's progress and likely potential, as of now", is a reasonable counter to any Ealy hysteria, although it's meaningless as an analytical response to people making judgments based upon their own analysis. But Ken is also trying to excuse poor practices, and he starts off by using the terrible example of an idiot (Iverson) denigrating practices. What do you think would happen to Ealy if he walked into BB's office tomorrow and went on a "We talking practice" rant? He'd be cut before he finished speaking, because "We talking practice" doesn't fly under the current Patriots regime.

He didn't compare Ealy to Iverson. He just used Iverson's quote to state that people are going overboard based on a small sample size and mostly second hand information. Completely different than what you are accusing him of.

And Ealy isn't saying anything. Based on his quotes thus far, he is saying the right things.

If Ealy did go into Belichick's office and pulled an Iverson, he would be in Belichick's dog house or outright cut. But no one is suggesting that he is nor was Ken even saying he is anything like the Iverson situation.

You have taken Ken quoting Iverson way too literally. It was clear that Ken wasn't comparing the two and he just paraphrased Iverson to fit his feelings that people put too much weight out of what they hear about in practice.
 
Ken's main point, which could have been condensed to "We don't know what BB thinks of Ealy's progress and likely potential, as of now", is a reasonable counter to any Ealy hysteria, although it's meaningless as an analytical response to people making judgments based upon their own analysis. But Ken is also trying to excuse poor practices, and he starts off by using the terrible example of an idiot (Iverson) denigrating practices. What do you think would happen to Ealy if he walked into BB's office tomorrow and went on a "We talking practice" rant? He'd be cut before he finished speaking, because "We talking practice" doesn't fly under the current Patriots regime.
Holy overanalysis batman. How about we just chill and see how this works out? Ealy started rough, leading some people to overreact a bit. Rather than run around like chickens with our heads cut off, how about simply giving it time to see if Ealy can turn things around.
 
He didn't compare Ealy to Iverson.

I didn't say that he did.

He just used Iverson's quote to state that people are going overboard based on a small sample size and mostly second hand information. Completely different than what you are accusing him of.

You seem to have missed the entire first part of my post. Here it is, again, with the particularly applicable portions in bold.

Ken's main point, which could have been condensed to "We don't know what BB thinks of Ealy's progress and likely potential, as of now", is a reasonable counter to any Ealy hysteria, although it's meaningless as an analytical response to people making judgments based upon their own analysis.
 
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Holy overanalysis batman. How about we just chill and see how this works out? Ealy started rough, leading some people to overreact a bit. Rather than run around like chickens with our heads cut off, how about simply giving it time to see if Ealy can turn things around.

You, also, seem to have missed the entire first part of my post. Here it is, again, with the particularly applicable portions in bold.

Ken's main point, which could have been condensed to "We don't know what BB thinks of Ealy's progress and likely potential, as of now", is a reasonable counter to any Ealy hysteria, although it's meaningless as an analytical response to people making judgments based upon their own analysis.
 
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Who the hell ever said Ealy was/is in BB's doghouse????????? Just because he's starting off a bit slow doesn't mean anything. BB has even been quoted saying he is trying Ealy at different spots to augment his versatility; especially since he came from a CAR program where he played exclusively as a 4-3 DE. I feel like certain people (on this board) just create sh*t out of nowhere.
 
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Who the hell ever said Ealy was/is in BB's doghouse?????????

People have taken Ealy's absences in the spring, paired them with the absence in training camp, combined that with Ealy's comments and his significant amount of play with the backups rather than the starters, and made an educated guess. How poor an educated guess they've made remains to (possibly) be seen.
 
People have taken Ealy's absences in the spring, paired them with the absence in training camp, combined that with Ealy's comments and his significant amount of play with the backups rather than the starters, and made an educated guess. How poor an educated guess they've made remains to (possibly) be seen.
At least he had a few pressures the other day in practice.
 
This thread has gone on for 10 pages now and will likely add several more before it dies its well deserved death. But here's the thing. To quote that great philosopher, Allan Iverson, "It's practice". And the thing some people seem to forget that PRACTICE is when you TRY things you wouldn't try in a game. This goes especially for the defense where the OTA's are spent just learning the language and where to line up.

All the angst about JG's interceptions are a joke. Who's to say that some weren't the product of a coach coming to him and saying, "Jimmy, today we are trying to see which receivers are good at catching 50-50 balls, so whenever you get the chance try and fit it in there, even though you wouldn't in a game". Or it's Jimmy himself allowing himself the luxury of testing the limits of his arm and judgment. Of course some were just bad passes and judgment, but maybe not all. Don't forget Jimmy is still learning about the game and his own limitations, where Brady has had 18 years to figure that out.

Same goes for Ealy. There is no other position on the team outside of QB, that requires as much learning and ramp up time than the DE/OLB position in the Pats defense. You have to rush with your hand in the dirt and standing up. You have to cover passes, you have set the edge from different positions, you have be ready to move inside. And if all you did was rush the passer in your former defense, or one gap against the run; the transition can be quite a shock. That is what Kony Ealy is facing just SEVEN (the 2 non-pad practices are nothing more than league mandated OTA's) practices into his Patriots career.

So he has not only a new language, new techniques, at the team's most unique position on the defense, he also has a media that is grading his results from 200 yds away, and a fan base who expects immediate impact from day one.

From a coaching stand point, Ealy is smack dab in the middle of the "one step forward, 2 steps back" phase of his learning curve. The REAL question (at least to me) is whether Ealy has the patience and "want to" enough to accept the coaching and wait for the results to start to improve over the next month.

The fact is that most players instict is to rebel against that. They have things they do well, and they want to keep doing those things. It is HARD to go back to learn different techniques. It's hard, to go back and fail while you learn things you already thought you knew. It's hard to play in a defense that is so reliant on what everyone else is doing, especially when you played in a system where you did what you did and let the result tell you how well it turned out. That's why BB has always said, "this place is not for everyone". It's HARD, especially for new vets.

So, I'm in the camp that isn't all that worried about the results of what Ealy is doing in TC. I only worry about his attitude. If he "buys in" then I believe he will eventually end up being a productive member of the DE rotation, regardless any blips in TC. If he doesn't and simply wants to do what he does, THEN he will find his stay with the Pats to be a short one, and he will wind up being the "Steve Martin" of the 2017 team.
You lost me at ... "JG is practicing the 50-50 ball...yeah the 50-50 ball...that's the ticket"
 
At least he had a few pressures the other day in practice.

Yeah,

Despite the inherent implications in a couple of posts made by defenders of the faith in this thread, I'm actually in the PFK camp on this. It's too soon to even push the "worry" button on Ealy, nevermind he "panic!" button. It's certainly not ideal to see him behind a rookie, but unlearning can sometimes be more difficult than learning, and that may be what's happening with Ealy.

If he's looking like ass by the time the second exhibition game has come and gone, or something of import develops before then, that'll be a pretty good time for the non-Patriots-coaching-staff observers to start getting concerned. Outside of that, we really need to focus on JAG and his precipitous decline.

What
Would
Max Kellerman
Do?
 
BB made a low risk deal with upside because the player had questionable attitude. He's got a lot of contracts and draft capital spent, so I hope his small gamble works out. That would be best for the team. If not, little wagered.
 
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