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To say this game was on Belichick is an understatement. The burning of a timeout in the fourth quarter just for a 3rd and 6 when the Eagles weren't even on midfield was questionable. That's nonsense we would laugh at other coaches for doing if it they were to wish they had it back. Even if they get the first down, it's not the end of the world. Those timeouts are valuable.

The gameplan was atrocious. The bend but don't break nonsense is getting old. It only works by relying on your opponents to commit mistakes such as penalties, errant throws, and turnovers. Aside from Zach Ertz's false start in the opening drive, Philly didn't make a major mistake afterwards. The Pats took nothing away defensively. Bill didn't get his guys ready and prepared to make tackles to force 3rd down stops. He hasn't had a great defensive gameplan in almost 15 years. By the way, that was when he had Ty Law, Teddy, Vrabel, Harrison, McGuiness, and more that he inherited from Parcells.

Hoodie is the best of all time. Don't get me wrong. However, part of that is attributed to how he consistently relies on his opposing coaches being dumber than him. He teaches his players to not lunge for the endzone to avoid what happened with Jessie James in the Steelers game (Tomlin isn't a good enough coach to emphasize such as a thing). So many coaches mismanage timeouts (Andy Reid), get a delay of game after timeouts (Marone in the Bortles play), leave Gronk covered one on one with someone that can't do it (Tomlin), and hurriedly calls for a slant passes in the congested endzone with the game on the line (Pete Carol). The issue becomes what happens when he faces a coach that isn't going to make those type of mistakes with a talented roster? (Coughlin, the Hardbaughs, and now Pederson).

I know Butler had an illness but if he was okay enough to play special teams, he surely could have gotten some snaps on defense. Furthermore, it surely doesn't explain why Rowe was placed on Jeffrey instead of Gilmore in the first quarter. The inexplicable decision cost the pats points early in the game. Once Gilmore went on Jeffrey, he shut the receiver down. Why wasn't he on Jeffrey from the start? Also, did Bill not watch the Vikings' game to see that stopping the slants on these RPOs would lead to deep balls? It killed the Vikings. It didn't kill the Falcons only giving up slants as the Eagles only scored 15 points. No real gameplan was installed. Don't only scapegoat Patricia. Bill is a defensive minded coach so he's there with him making these decisions and he hired him anyway. Good luck Stafford and the Lions.

Once again, Brady played well enough to win. Bill has been relying on opponents screwing up and Brady bailing him out time after time after time (Seahawks and Falcons game). He and the front office have gotten complacent again with this roster. It is devoid of talent in the front seven compared to the teams they've face. The quality drop in the league as it pertains to smart play and the success they pulled out have made them believe everyone else is stupid. However, tonight the Eagles proved otherwise.

You could argue Bill the general manager and the head coach has cost Brady more rings. I am not saying Brady has always been perfect. No one is. But he has played well, especially today, to win. I'm waiting for Bill to have great gameplans. He's been installing simple plans like having a tight end chip on a pass rusher like JJ Watt or double teaming a receiver like Hopkins. Some thing most teams are too stupid to replicate but instead whine about the Patriots winning.

People talk about the system. Brady has had different offensive coordinators that he makes look good because of his ability to read defenses, make accurate throws, sense pass rush, look off linebackers and safeties, not throw to receivers he doesn't trust, lead receivers, and exploit mismatches on the field. I used to get frustrated watching Patriot teams such as the 2011 Patriots put out guys like Russ Ventrone at the secondary but relying on Brady bailing them out. These two Superbowls were won because Brady has gotten even better the last 4 years and due to teams choking. In this game, our opponents surprisingly didn't choke and that's why we lost. I know other guys stepped up and did their job like Bill preaches but they're still getting outplayed and out schemed for stretches.

History repeated itself. This game felt awfully similar to the late fourth quarter of the 2011 Giants Superbowl game. Belichick is a great coach with his attention to detail, mastery of the rule book, his ability to find hard working guys and put them in position to succeed, his teams being discipline, and his in game management. However, we've seen that only works if his roster is very talented and can make plays and or Brady being Brady. Once a coach actually has a clue and faces Bill, the Hoodie isn't always besting them with his simple gameplans. Hopefully, the Pats will learn from this and load up like how they did in 2014 following those previous seasons of the same playoff failures from the same aforementioned reasons.
im telling you again. BB is more valuable than brady.
 
Belichick had his system in place BEFORE Tom Brady even stepped foot in Foxboro - Brady is not a system quarterback but Belichick's system and the way he runs this team fits Brady's type of play to perfection...thats why they have success.

A Peanut Butter & Jelly Sandwich would suck ass it either one of those ingredients was left out...same with BB & Brady - they work together.


Way to nix the bread's contributions. Wow. :D
 
I'll say the same thing about Brady as I said about Welker -- he makes that catch and we are not having this conversation. Gisele warned us, "My Husband Can Not F*king Throw The Ball And Catch The Ball At The Same Time."

Brilliant.
 
I still feel brady could win a title with let's say the donkeys. He could win elsewhere.

Regardless of who left both would have to spend time to reestablish themselves. It would be a shame if one or the other tried to go it alone.
 
Brady is the best player you could ever want on a football field, but Belichick is the one who built the entire program at every level and turned the Patriots into the best franchise in football.
 
Give me a break with that. Butler looked very good against the jags in the second half. He's much better than what bill put out on Sunday. Still don't know what he was thinking.

did you read the news of what butler did leading up to the sb weekend? again, he checked out and bb could not trust him to play within the plan.

you act like butler is a future hall of famer

it is strange

butler pulled an isiah thomas and just couldn’t quite get over the bloated opinion he had of himself and felt he was owed something, which is disappointing.
 
did you read the news of what butler did leading up to the sb weekend? again, he checked out and bb could not trust him to play within the plan.

you act like butler is a future hall of famer

it is strange

butler pulled an isiah thomas and just couldn’t quite get over the bloated opinion he had of himself and felt he was owed something, which is disappointing.
Yeah, and Brady's holding out of OTAs

I read it on the news
 
Belichick had his system in place BEFORE Tom Brady even stepped foot in Foxboro - Brady is not a system quarterback but Belichick's system and the way he runs this team fits Brady's type of play to perfection...thats why they have success.

A Peanut Butter & Jelly Sandwich would suck ass it either one of those ingredients was left out...same with BB & Brady - they work together.
Belichick's system wasn't successful before Brady got to Foxborough though.
 
did you read the news of what butler did leading up to the sb weekend? again, he checked out and bb could not trust him to play within the plan.

you act like butler is a future hall of famer

it is strange

butler pulled an isiah thomas and just couldn’t quite get over the bloated opinion he had of himself and felt he was owed something, which is disappointing.


Do we know what Butler did or are we believing the hearsay and rumors?

He had the flu. He didn't play well during practice. BB and Patricia decided not to play him. I wish they would have at some point in the game but I don't think they didn't play him for some stupid egomaniacal bs.
 
Brady is the best player you could ever want on a football field, but Belichick is the one who built the entire program at every level and turned the Patriots into the best franchise in football.

Would it have worked with Alex Smith?

It's really an endless debate. I'm not sure which side of it I'm on. :D
 
I wonder how many bone head decisions B.B. has made that tb’s clutchness has hidden.
Without Brady, B.B. would have been fired years ago for these 7-9 bs talent on defense.
In the end, There is still no other coach I’d rather have. Go pats
 
I wonder how many bone head decisions B.B. has made that tb’s clutchness has hidden.
Without Brady, B.B. would have been fired years ago for these 7-9 bs talent on defense.
In the end, There is still no other coach I’d rather have. Go pats

What????

I guess you missed the first two or three of Tom Brady's years here. Some of those bs talented defensive players are in the Patriot's HOF and a couple are nominated for the NFL HOF.

They have both covered for each other at one point or another.
 
Belichick's system wasn't successful before Brady got to Foxborough though.

What are you talking about, he turned a crap Cleveland team into a team on the rise before they ripped the rug out from under him, and he turned the Patriots into Super Bowl champs within 2 years. That Brady ended up being the QB of that team is a positive for Belichick, not against him. He then built the best franchise in football around Brady. That MacDaniels is staying around to learn what Belichick knows tells you just how valuable that is to this organization. Love Brady, he’s the GOAT, and he works his ass off year round, but compared to the amount of work and influence in every aspect of their organization that Belichick controls it’s not in the same galaxy.
 
I wonder how many bone head decisions B.B. has made that tb’s clutchness has hidden.
Without Brady, B.B. would have been fired years ago for these 7-9 bs talent on defense.
In the end, There is still no other coach I’d rather have. Go pats


Huh?
 
What are you talking about, he turned a crap Cleveland team into a team on the rise before they ripped the rug out from under him,

Even removing his final CLE season he had a losing record. A mediocre coach will have winning seasons about 1/2 the time. Being Jeff Fisher before Brady arrived is not proof he has a winning system. I was responding to a claim Brady was in BB's winning system. He wasn't. When he replaced an injured Bledsoe there was not much winning to be found.

and he turned the Patriots into Super Bowl champs within 2 years.

How does this dispute that he didn't have a winning system before Brady?

Yes, winning and Brady occurred at the same time.
Winning and Belichick didn't.

That Brady ended up being the QB of that team is a positive for Belichick, not against him. He then built the best franchise in football around Brady. That MacDaniels is staying around to learn what Belichick knows tells you just how valuable that is to this organization. Love Brady, he’s the GOAT, and he works his ass off year round, but compared to the amount of work and influence in every aspect of their organization that Belichick controls it’s not in the same galaxy.

Feel free to provide evidence of that. Let's compare using the same QB. Parcells got Bledsoe to a SB, Carroll took him to the playoffs twice. The worst record of Bledsoe's long career as a starter came under Belichick at 5-11.
 
What????

I guess you missed the first two or three of Tom Brady's years here. Some of those bs talented defensive players are in the Patriot's HOF and a couple are nominated for the NFL HOF.

They have both covered for each other at one point or another.
BBs defenses had 4th quarter collapses of 14, and 19 points in the first two SBs. If Brady doesn't get handed the ball and pull those games out of his a** it's not clear BB even gets a third try. That's if he would have been there to begin with.
 
BBs defenses had 4th quarter collapses of 14, and 19 points in the first two SBs. If Brady doesn't get handed the ball and pull those games out of his a** it's not clear BB even gets a third try. That's if he would have been there to begin with.

Be fair Bob. Those defenses were just what the doctor ordered for a rookie QB. SB 36 was an awesome defensive effort against the greatest show on turf.
 
I just think that the game has changed. There's better qb's than there were when Brady entered the league. It's more of an offense/pass happy league. I just don't think Belichick has adjusted. I'm not saying the game has passed him by but man I always feel good about our offense. Not so warm and fuzzy feeling about our defense.
 
Would BB have any super bowls with out TB? Probably. Would TB have any super bowls with another decent coach and team, maybe. But the two together are perfection. I dont even care to think of what would have happened if the two weren't together, that' for the losers in new York and others cities to debate.
 
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