Do you think the NFL is out to get Cam Newton too?

[fair catch fryar]

Yes, they want to retire one of their most popular superstars early. They hate all the money he's been earning them and will promote Siemian instead.

I have no opinion on whether there is any actual bias by the NFL toward Cam Newton, but based on your post I would assume that you feel this notion is foolish, yet this is exactly what they have been doing to Brady since this whole mess began. I still can't figure out for the life of me why the NFL goes after it's most marketable, poster-quality golden boy in years, in essence costing themselves millions in the missed marketing opportunities, publicity circus and legal fees they have had to pay out up to this point. The only thing I can come up with is jealousy and ego of other owners and franchises.

 

[BradyFTW!]

If the refs can't reliably get the incredibly obvious **** right--like helmet to helmet on the QB--maybe the league should stop giving them the authority to make more and more judgment calls on meaningless plays that have nothing to do with anything. Like two flags for celebrating after the play now being grounds for ejection.

I could buy that Cam getting zero penalty yards for 4-5 instances of targeting and launching at his head was just garden-variety incompetence, if not for the fact that a flag did get thrown on a guy for being excited after a touchdown. The refs were clearly eagle-eyed and at attention when it came time to bust out a cool new rule in their arsenal, which makes me skeptical that they could come by their blindness honestly when the Broncos were trying to cave Cam's skull in.

 

[primetime]

I have no opinion on whether there is any actual bias by the NFL toward Cam Newton, but based on your post I would assume that you feel this notion is foolish, yet this is exactly what they have been doing to Brady since this whole mess began. I still can't figure out for the life of me why the NFL goes after it's most marketable, poster-quality golden boy in years, in essence costing themselves millions in the missed marketing opportunities, publicity circus and legal fees they have had to pay out up to this point. The only thing I can come up with is jealousy and ego of other owners and franchises.

I think they genuinely thought he did it, and when you plant a flag publicly you end up with a certain stickiness in your position. It was absurd to think a trillion dollar enterprise was ever going to come out and say sorry, we were wrong, so they kept doubling down. The Wells Report hitjob, etc. etc.

 

[IllegalContact]

I appreciate you thinking I was eloquent, but I usually fall well short of that mark.

My perspective may be wrong, but it is at least based on logic, and arrived through much introspection, thoughtfulness and extensive perspective taking. Regardless, I was sincere in what I wrote and genuinely hope that if there truly are any self-contradictions in there, that this experience will serve catalyst in my discovery of them.

its not your perspective that's wrong......who gives a crap if you actually watch or not....it's entertainment, and nothing more

it's the promotion of this self-denial ...... it sounds so douchey

 

[IllegalContact]

I'll agree on one hit, the last one, to be blatant. But if your going to run, and your putting yourself out to block, then you play by the rules everyone else has to play with. You don't get super slow motion of linemen knocking the living crap out of each other and RB's every play.
You can't cry poor me, and then run around like a RB. Once you leave the pocket and start running your gonna get hit, pure and simple. Don't like it, stay in the pocket where QB's are protected.

I believe the helmet to helmet stuff is what is objectionable

 

[Galeb]

its not your perspective that's wrong......who gives a crap if you actually watch or not....it's entertainment, and nothing more

it's the promotion of this self-denial ...... it sounds so douchey

Obviously you don't give a crap, and that is fine. That said, for someone who doesn't give a crap, you've sure made a lot of posts in this thread.

There are numerous others in this thread that did want to talk about it, including many that are watching. It is your contempt at their perspective that is the real issue here.

What you call self-denial, I call self-evaluation and improvement. It is the core of becoming a better human being whether you think it "sounds douchey" or not.

 

[IllegalContact]

Obviously you don't give a crap, and that is fine. That said, for someone who doesn't give a crap, you've sure made a lot of posts in this thread.

There are numerous others in this thread that did want to talk about it, including many that are watching. It is your contempt at their perspective that is the real issue here.

What you call self-denial, I call self-evaluation and improvement. It is the core of becoming a better human being whether you think it "sounds douchey" or not.

not watching makes you a better human?

man you must be 'down there'

either that, or you're just adding an even thicker layer of ******** on top of what you've lain so far

 

[PatsFan92]

God dawn we got people dying around the world due to starvation and innocent civilians being killed by air strikes in Iraq, Syria and Gaza. Yet people think that boycotting NFL football is such a "great" thing. People need to wake the hell up.

 

[Galeb]

not watching makes you a better human?

man you must be 'down there'

either that, or you're just adding an even thicker layer of ******** on top of what you've lain so far

I never even implied that not watching makes someone a better human. It's merely a personal preference that is not worthy of scorn.

What I said was that a constant search for one's own flaws and actively trying to overcome them is the core of becoming a better human.

 

[IllegalContact]

I never even implied that not watching makes someone a better human. It's merely a personal preference.

What I said was that a constant search for one's own flaws and actively trying to overcome them is the core of becoming a better human.

in that context, what flaw were you talking about?

 

[Galeb]

in that context, what flaw were you talking about?

My own? For starters, my ego getting the best of me and getting involved in pissing contests like this one.

 

[IllegalContact]

My own? For starters, my ego getting the best of me and getting involved in pissing contests like this one.

no....in the context of not watching football......you made the logical connection though it was indirect

how does the decision to not watch football make you a better person?

 

[Galeb]

no....in the context of not watching football......you made the logical connection though it was indirect

how does the decision to not watch football make you a better person?

Never once meant to make that connection. The connection was that the contempt for opposing views without giving them significant thought deprives us of one of the greatest tools in becoming a better person; perspective taking. Perspective taking is required for truly understanding other points of view and the attempt grants profound insights into one's self, others and the world around us.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I think that utter incompetence is being incorrectly identified, by some, as "hate" at least with respect to the NFL and Cam Newton.

 

[Deus Irae]

Do you think the NFL is out to get Cam Newton too?

No

 

[IllegalContact]

Never once meant to make that connection. The connection was that the contempt for opposing views without giving them significant thought deprives us of one of the greatest tools in becoming a better person; perspective taking. Perspective taking is required for truly understanding other points of view and the attempt grants profound insights into one's self, others and the world around us.

as I have said, I don't have contempt for the view, just the need to make sure everyone knows...the only motivation for that is self-promotion, so if you want to work on something, I think you have that right there

 

[Galeb]

as I have said, I don't have contempt for the view, just the need to make sure everyone knows...the only motivation for that is self-promotion, so if you want to work on something, I think you have that right there

If you didn't hold it in contempt, you probably wouldn't use words like "lame" to describe it, Your belief that the only possible motive is self-promotion is proof that you didn't even attempt to see things from the other perspective.

I agree that I stroke my ego too often around here, but I assure you, speaking about the decision of whether or not to watch football is not an example of it.

 

[IllegalContact]

If you didn't hold it in contempt, you probably wouldn't use words like "lame" to describe it, Your belief that the only possible motive is self-promotion is proof that you didn't even attempt to see things from the other perspective.

I agree that I stroke my ego too often around here, but I assure you, speaking about the decision of whether or not to watch football is not an example of it.

thinking something is lame is not to have contempt for it.....I think 'cupcake wars' is lame, I think 'saving hope' is lame, I think 'duck dynasty' is lame....zero contempt for any of them

 

[Kontradiction]

A genuine discourse doesn't includ repeatedly telling the same person both what the thought and what they did regardless of what they say. Neither is holding the other perspective in contempt without ever giving it significant consideration.

I still come here because I love the actual game, have a fondness for the Pats, am fascinated by BB's approach, system and constant development and have the utmost respect and affection for Tom Brady, both as a person, and as the greatest QB of all time. I'm not watching the sport I love because of the corruption that's making it onto the field. It's much more subtle and smaller than this massive scheme that you make it out to be, and often isn't successful. That said, it's very presence has stopped me from watching the game I love.

I also still come here because many of the discussions I read and participate in here have are tremendous sources of insight for me. Not only have there been many instances where someone provided great information or showed me I was very wrong on an important topic, I have also gained tremendous insight from serious perspective taking on opposing viewpoints.

Sure, I frequently still disagree with said viewpoint, but have often gleaned valuable insight, awareness of nuance and even an greater understanding of human nature, including my own, from the attempt. This board has also aided me in identifying a number of personal flaws and has led to what I consider significant, positive transformation. Obviously I have a long way to go in overcoming many of these flaws, but I'm aware of them now and actively making progress in overcoming them. I truly try to return the favor to the board, which is why I sometimes come off like Dr. Phil.

Fair enough.

I completely understand and respect the viewpoint that you want concrete evidence before coming to the realization that the ultra corrupt NFL FO is trying to influence the outcome of games and seasons.

*ON THE FIELD. That seems to be the important distinction here. What they did to Brady off the field is obviously full of crap. But that could also be attributed to a man with a Napoleonic complex trying to appease the masses that criticized him after Spygate. I just don't see any evidence that they're fixing the product on the field. If that was the case, the Pats wouldn't have enjoyed nearly the amount of success that they have. They had every shot to go to the Super Bowl last year and lost that game because they were telegraphing the snap to the Broncos. Even still, they were a missed extra point away from being in the Super Bowl. People also tend to forget that there are always missed calls during the game that benefit the Patriots. So no, I'm sorry. But I can't come to the conclusion that there is some sort of tiny/massive/or otherwise concocted conspiracy to keep the Pats from the big game and this forum often sounds ridiculous for trying to conceive of one. My first post in this thread noted that the talk around this forum was that the Broncos were going to suck this year. Why? The NFL no longer had any reason for them to want to win anything with Goober out of the way. Now it's that the NFL wants them to win again to stand in the Pats way. Does that not sound a little ridiculous to you?

That said, how many coincidences, direct action (massive unjustified punishes to some teams and near nothing for others) and blurring of the rules to create gray areas will it take before you start to really suspect?

When I see something like Lakers/Kings. That's when I'll stop watching. I've not seen anything yet that leads me away from what I've always believed - NFL officials, like NBA and NHL officials, miss a lot of stuff. Happens to every team, though. Call me when it only happens to the Pats.

Your viewpoint is valid. It your contempt for the opposing view that's toxic, narrows your perspective and is undermining your ability to have genuine discourse.

I have no contempt for opposing viewpoints. You're trying to frame it that way because you're losing the debate. I want people to give me concrete examples of corruption and attempts to fix the product on the field. I've not gotten that yet. If that comes off as "bullying" to you, then so be it.

 

[Galeb]

Fair enough.



*ON THE FIELD. That seems to be the important distinction here. What they did to Brady off the field is obviously full of crap. But that could also be attributed to a man with a Napoleonic complex trying to appease the masses that criticized him after Spygate. I just don't see any evidence that they're fixing the product on the field. If that was the case, the Pats wouldn't have enjoyed nearly the amount of success that they have. They had every shot to go to the Super Bowl last year and lost that game because they were telegraphing the snap to the Broncos. Even still, they were a missed extra point away from being in the Super Bowl. People also tend to forget that there are always missed calls during the game that benefit the Patriots. So no, I'm sorry. But I can't come to the conclusion that there is some sort of tiny/massive/or otherwise concocted conspiracy to keep the Pats from the big game and this forum often sounds ridiculous for trying to conceive of one. My first post in this thread noted that the talk around this forum was that the Broncos were going to suck this year. Why? The NFL no longer had any reason for them to want to win anything with Goober out of the way. Now it's that the NFL wants them to win again to stand in the Pats way. Does that not sound a little ridiculous to you?



When I see something like Lakers/Kings. That's when I'll stop watching. I've not seen anything yet that leads me away from what I've always believed - NFL officials, like NBA and NHL officials, miss a lot of stuff. Happens to every team, though. Call me when it only happens to the Pats.



I have no contempt for opposing viewpoints. You're trying to frame it that way because you're losing the debate. I want people to give me concrete examples of corruption and attempts to fix the product on the field. I've not gotten that yet. If that comes off as "bullying" to you, then so be it.

I agree with most of your points, and understand your point of view, but your methods and the way you speak to people betrays an obvious contempt. I think you are capable of doing much better. That and the contempt I saw expressed in this thread is the entire reason I even posted in it.