Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

[PatriotsReign]

Then why are you here? Pretty sure you are not shackled bodily to this thread

Ha!! You agree with me and you're still hangin'!! I'm actually here to maintain and monitor member sanity. I see a bit of unfounded paranoia going on

 

[Galeb]

Can we get this thread back off topic please.

 

[sb1]

"no scouting done on him?" If either Miami or Arizona didn't scout Garoppolo going into those two games their scouting directors should be immediately fired. Everyone knew who the starting quarterback was gonna be.

Scouting a guy who up to that point had zero meaningful NFL experience is a crap shoot in many ways.

We all saw what happened to Matt Flynn once the book was out on him.

I know what you meant to say. Garoppolo had a limited body of work and the book wasn't out on him. But still. Garoppolo did enough to win against 2 teams that were expected to be in the playoffs. It was a pair of good performances and suggests that Jimmy G does indeed have the talent to be an NFL starting quarterback. He's in the mix. So is Brady.

Good yes. "Shredded" hardly. My point was it's one thing to play well when you don't have much NFL tape on you vs playing well when you do.

Probably has the talent but does he have what it takes which is more than just talent? His durability is worth watching.

And I agree with the main premise, playing time is given for performance, not tenure, in Bill Belichick's Patriots. Brady will be the starter for as long as he's the better starter. If he isn't the better starter he won't be the starter. It's as simple as that.

Barring an epic awful camp by Brady or a devastating injury it's hard to envision JG getting a lot of snaps to make that conclusion.

Also don't sleep too hard on Jacoby Brisset. There's a lot about his performance in relief of Garoppolo that I really liked. The arm is maybe not elite in terms of accuracy or power, but he kept his head and played well despite very limited experience. He's got what it takes mentally, we'll see if the skill comes with practice. A few years working with this coaching staff and that name might be worth remembering.

Very true. Same applies with him though to a more extent. Hard to see where his snaps will be coming from.

 

[Tony2046]

"no scouting done on him?" If either Miami or Arizona didn't scout Garoppolo going into those two games their scouting directors should be immediately fired. Everyone knew who the starting quarterback was gonna be.

I know what you meant to say. Garoppolo had a limited body of work and the book wasn't out on him. But still. Garoppolo did enough to win against 2 teams that were expected to be in the playoffs. It was a pair of good performances and suggests that Jimmy G does indeed have the talent to be an NFL starting quarterback. He's in the mix. So is Brady.

And I agree with the main premise, playing time is given for performance, not tenure, in Bill Belichick's Patriots. Brady will be the starter for as long as he's the better starter. If he isn't the better starter he won't be the starter. It's as simple as that.

Also don't sleep too hard on Jacoby Brisset. There's a lot about his performance in relief of Garoppolo that I really liked. The arm is maybe not elite in terms of accuracy or power, but he kept his head and played well despite very limited experience. He's got what it takes mentally, we'll see if the skill comes with practice. A few years working with this coaching staff and that name might be worth remembering.

Believe it or not your passive innuendos are not working.

Do you want JG to replace Brady?

"Well, uh, he's in the mix" "If he plays better" "In BB we trust"

DO you want JG to replace Brady?

"The truth is .....there's playing time....performance.... um.. Jacoby is pretty good too...." "In BB we trust" "Right?"

I want the truth!! DO You or Don't You want JG to replace Brady?

"The truth? You think you're entitled to the truth?"

DO You want........

 

[Ring 6]

we are loyal to the team......the team

as long as brady is the best option at QB.....then he should be the QB

if and when jimmy G becomes the better option....then we go with him

we'll take it year by year

graveyards are full of indispensable men

Who is saying different?
People who are saying it would be moronic to get rid of Brady are saying it because that is what is best for the team.

 

[Simpelton]

Believe it or not your passive innuendos are not working.

Do you want JG to replace Brady?

"Well, uh, he's in the mix" "If he plays better" "In BB we trust"

DO you want JG to replace Brady?

"The truth is .....there's playing time....performance.... um.. Jacoby is pretty good too...." "In BB we trust" "Right?"

I want the truth!! DO You or Don't You want JG to replace Brady?

"The truth? You think you're entitled to the truth?"

DO You want........

I want the New England Patriots to always have a good quarterback. If that means engineering a few snaps here and there to get the "next guy" warmed up and ready to go, so be it. Garoppolo needs to be given work. On field experience. We're past the point of Brady's career where we can ignore the possibility of needing a replacement THIS YEAR.

Do I think it will happen? No, actually, really no. I think Brady's gonna finish the year fine and Garoppolo is going to be wasting our cap space and a year of his time. But I want this franchise to be ready to move to a good second option, not a backup but a true second quarterback, at any time between now and the actual end of Tom Brady's career.

Understand the distinction I'm trying to generate here. I don't think Brady's career will end this year. I don't WANT Brady's career to end this year. But I damn sure want this franchise ready to deal with the situation immediately if for some reason Brady's career DOES end this year.

See where I'm going with this?w Are you mentally capable of grasping the fine rhetorical distinction between "I want him to start right now, over Brady" and "I want him to be ready to start if we lost Brady?"

Can you think through that complicated puzzle I've given you? Can you think? Are you even capable of brain?

Garoppolo matters to me only and exactly because if Brady's career ends because he gets Pollarded on game 1 of this coming year, he might be able to come in and still get us to the promised land. Maybe. It's a better possibility than anyone else we could reasonably have in that position.

This year, Garoppolo is the replacement. He plays if Brady can't and he plays in blowouts and a few other situations -- this year. After this year, it depends on things we can't know yet, like how well Brady handled the 2017 campaign. And maybe even if Brady has a bad second half and looks like he needs replacing, we find some guy in the fourth round we really like and still say goodbye to Garoppolo. And I would have not one problem with that. As long as there's a guy behind Brady that could take over at a moment's notice and not be a liability.

 

[Ring 6]

I want the New England Patriots to always have a good quarterback. If that means engineering a few snaps here and there to get the "next guy" warmed up and ready to go, so be it. Garoppolo needs to be given work. On field experience. We're past the point of Brady's career where we can ignore the possibility of needing a replacement THIS YEAR.

Do I think it will happen? No, actually, really no. I think Brady's gonna finish the year fine and Garoppolo is going to be wasting our cap space and a year of his time. But I want this franchise to be ready to move to a good second option, not a backup but a true second quarterback, at any time between now and the actual end of Tom Brady's career.

Understand the distinction I'm trying to generate here. I don't think Brady's career will end this year. I don't WANT Brady's career to end this year. But I damn sure want this franchise ready to deal with the situation immediately if for some reason Brady's career DOES end this year.

See where I'm going with this?w Are you mentally capable of grasping the fine rhetorical distinction between "I want him to start right now, over Brady" and "I want him to be ready to start if we lost Brady?"

Can you think through that complicated puzzle I've given you? Can you think? Are you even capable of brain?

Garoppolo matters to me only and exactly because if Brady's career ends because he gets Pollarded on game 1 of this coming year, he might be able to come in and still get us to the promised land. Maybe. It's a better possibility than anyone else we could reasonably have in that position.

This year, Garoppolo is the replacement. He plays if Brady can't and he plays in blowouts and a few other situations -- this year. After this year, it depends on things we can't know yet, like how well Brady handled the 2017 campaign. And maybe even if Brady has a bad second half and looks like he needs replacing, we find some guy in the fourth round we really like and still say goodbye to Garoppolo. And I would have not one problem with that. As long as there's a guy behind Brady that could take over at a moment's notice and not be a liability.

Now that you have essentially changed your opinion 180 degrees you don't sound as ignorant.

You just have to watch more football so you can actually learn how good Brady had and how far away he is from needing to be replaced.

 

[goheels22002]

Now you're just getting lazy and quoting AA slogans.

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the players on the Patriots roster I cannot change,
Courage to change the players on the Patriots roster I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."

Pats Picker 2016

 

[Simpelton]

My position has not changed at all. But I'm glad that you'rte a little less ignorant now.

BTW I don't think Garoppolo will win the starting job but I do expect him to compete for it. I expect Belichick to take a long hard look at both Jimmy and Brady during the preseason. Because whether guys like you like it or not, we have to face the possibility that if the stars align just wrong, our playoff dreams will be hanging off the arm of Jimmy Garoppolo next winter. Even the most rabid Brady fan has to admit that one bad hit and that's where we are, because it's happened before. Keeping JAG relevant is important.

 

[Tony2046]

Complicated? So you want a capable backup to Brady? Holy mother of God. What an epiphany. I thought this thread was debating something else.

Your arguments are humorous. You're shooting arrows and proclaiming "Bullseye!" but don't realize that you're on the kiddy range.

I'm not even sure you know what your argument is. Is it "Brady needs a capable backup"? If so, who are you arguing with? Nobody.

And by the way, what does this even mean?

Are you even capable of brain?

 

[AzPatsFan]

I want the New England Patriots to always have a good quarterback. If that means engineering a few snaps here and there to get the "next guy" warmed up and ready to go, so be it. Garoppolo needs to be given work. On field experience. We're past the point of Brady's career where we can ignore the possibility of needing a replacement THIS YEAR.

Do I think it will happen? No, actually, really no. I think Brady's gonna finish the year fine and Garoppolo is going to be wasting our cap space and a year of his time. But I want this franchise to be ready to move to a good second option, not a backup but a true second quarterback, at any time between now and the actual end of Tom Brady's career.

Understand the distinction I'm trying to generate here. I don't think Brady's career will end this year. I don't WANT Brady's career to end this year. But I damn sure want this franchise ready to deal with the situation immediately if for some reason Brady's career DOES end this year.

See where I'm going with this?w Are you mentally capable of grasping the fine rhetorical distinction between "I want him to start right now, over Brady" and "I want him to be ready to start if we lost Brady?"

Can you think through that complicated puzzle I've given you? Can you think? Are you even capable of brain?

Garoppolo matters to me only and exactly because if Brady's career ends because he gets Pollarded on game 1 of this coming year, he might be able to come in and still get us to the promised land. Maybe. It's a better possibility than anyone else we could reasonably have in that position.

This year, Garoppolo is the replacement. He plays if Brady can't and he plays in blowouts and a few other situations -- this year. After this year, it depends on things we can't know yet, like how well Brady handled the 2017 campaign. And maybe even if Brady has a bad second half and looks like he needs replacing, we find some guy in the fourth round we really like and still say goodbye to Garoppolo. And I would have not one problem with that. As long as there's a guy behind Brady that could take over at a moment's notice and not be a liability.

Well said. That is my exact position as well.

BTW what was so great about the stupid Cleveland fans obsessing over an over-aged home town hero Bernie Kosar? All they did was criticize Belichick and his staff of future NFL and college HOF Coaches. They undermined him; and helped to justify to Modell to move to Baltimore.

... And get both of the two best Head Coaches in NFL history fired.

Why do you want to glorify and even emulate, rank utter STUPIDITY?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

"The truth? You think you're entitled to the truth?"

DO You want........

Just to keep us all riled up... coming one day to a small screen near you...



"Son, we live in a league that has rosters and a salary cap, and those rosters and salary caps have to be guarded by men with computers and clipboards. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Tony2046? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for TFB, and you curse the Patriots. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Tom Brady's release, while tragic, put us in the best position to win. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to... well, everybody outside of New England... probably won super bowls.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about on bulletin boards, you want me on that sideline. You need me on that sideline.

We use words like "it is what it is," "Tommy was pretty good today," and "we're on to Cincinnati." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent winning something. You use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very excellence that I provide each year, by saying last year means nothing, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet and try out as an UDFA. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!"*

*trolling and sarcasm intended. It is indeed possible that TFB retires a Patriot in 2023 or 2027 after having to start putting SB rings on his toes.

 

[Tony2046]

Just to keep us all riled up... coming one day to a small screen near you...



"Son, we live in a league that has rosters and a salary cap, and those rosters and salary caps have to be guarded by men with computers and clipboards. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Tony2046? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for TFB, and you curse the Patriots. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Tom Brady's release, while tragic, put us in the best position to win. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to... well, everybody outside of New England... probably won super bowls.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about on bulletin boards, you want me on that sideline. You need me on that sideline.

We use words like "it is what it is," "Tommy was pretty good today," and "we're on to Cincinnati." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent winning something. You use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very excellence that I provide each year, by saying last year means nothing, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet and try out as an UDFA. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!"*

*trolling and sarcasm intended. It is indeed possible that TFB retires a Patriot in 2023 or 2027 after having to start putting SB rings on his toes.

Man. You just took my little crayola idea of a "few good men" themed post and turned it into a rembrandt. Love it.

"trolling and sarcasm intended" That's all I've been doing for the last few weeks in this thread except I was just throwing out a snark here and there while you freaking loaded up and hit me with a bazooka post. I hope you yelled, "backblast area clear" before submitting that sucker.

Good stuff VA.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I showed this thread to one of my boys and he said: No days off.. just like the Patriots I see

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Man. You just took my little crayola idea of a "few good men" themed post and turned it into a rembrandt. Love it.

"trolling and sarcasm intended" That's all I've been doing for the last few weeks in this thread except I was just throwing out a snark here and there while you freaking loaded up and hit me with a bazooka post. I hope you yelled, "backblast area clear" before submitting that sucker.

Good stuff VA.

We're all in the boat... and we're all in the offseason... may as well have some fun

 

[tom444]

Just to keep us all riled up... coming one day to a small screen near you...



"Son, we live in a league that has rosters and a salary cap, and those rosters and salary caps have to be guarded by men with computers and clipboards. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Tony2046? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for TFB, and you curse the Patriots. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Tom Brady's release, while tragic, put us in the best position to win. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to... well, everybody outside of New England... probably won super bowls.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about on bulletin boards, you want me on that sideline. You need me on that sideline.

We use words like "it is what it is," "Tommy was pretty good today," and "we're on to Cincinnati." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent winning something. You use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very excellence that I provide each year, by saying last year means nothing, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet and try out as an UDFA. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!"*

*trolling and sarcasm intended. It is indeed possible that TFB retires a Patriot in 2023 or 2027 after having to start putting SB rings on his toes.

All right, Colonel Belichick!

 

[Galeb]

This thread is brought to you by Pure Blonde. From a place much more pure than yours.

 

[fnordcircle]

Can we get this thread back off topic please.

I'm here to help.

Not like doctors who perform the barbaric act of circumcision. Can you believe in this day and age we still butcher penises?

 

[Galeb]

I'm here to help.

Not like doctors who perform the barbaric act of circumcision. Can you believe in this day and age we still butcher penises?

Agreed. It's totally effed up. Mutilate us the first moment we come into this world. Just a hunch, but cutting off a piece of our junk probably doesn't make the greatest first impression. I think the original intent was to do more than just mark a particular group.

 

[sb1]

Link:
Tom Brady Could Be In Line For New Contract This Summer

If true... seeya Jimmy, thanks and good luck. Pats will likely be selecting the heir to Brady in April.