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Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

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Thanx. I appreciate your thoughtful post. It was well thought out.

Thanks. Being accurate is important and calling you an idiot for claiming Bradys performance in the Super Bowl is the reason to hand the job over to an unproven back up who only laste six quarters when he was needed for four games is as accurate as it gets.
 
Brady will not play until 45 and I highly doubt his wife will let him. Can he play til 45 as an almost elite quarterback? Possible. Will it happen? No. Why? His family will end up more important within 2-3 years.

I am so confident that it might even happen after this season. If not, within the next 2.


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Given the question posed in the thread title, the three names offered in support of the disloyalty position, and the 49% of Browns fans supporting the decision to boot Kosar, I believe the definitive answer to that question is no. By my math, there are more than 6.12 members of this forum.

Question answered. Proceed with the call for demonstrable devotion to TB12. For the true loyalists I would be more impressed to hear how many of you named your kids Tom Brady when your last name is not Brady . . . and the kid is a girl. Now that is true devotion.

As for Bernie Kosar, there is only one reason I believe his name should be invoked in this forum (or any NFL discussion for that matter) . . . .

Wow, I had no idea his daughter did that. Bizarre.
 
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we are loyal to the team......the team

as long as brady is the best option at QB.....then he should be the QB

if and when jimmy G becomes the better option....then we go with him

we'll take it year by year

graveyards are full of indispensable men
 
So get rid of the best player in the league for a guy who didn't last two games?.

I think the Ivan dost protest too much.

The fact is that you are pretty much the only guy in this thread talking regularly about Jimmy Garoppolo without being prompted. Nearly every time the Garoppolo argument is restarted in these threads, ivan, it's because you started it by protesting too hard.

What do I mean by protest too hard? Well there's a line in Shakespeare, "methinks the lady dost protest too much" about a female trying to deny that she had an illicit affair and thereby raising the question of whether or not she had an illicit affair. Ever since "protest too much" happens when someone tries so hard to deny something that it becomes obvious that he thinks that thing is true -- whether they secretly want it to be true or not.

The fact of the matter is that most of the Garoppolo talk in the last several weeks since draft day is almost exclusively your fault, Ivan. Most of us are getting ready for Brady to have another great year, while acknowledging that this season will be among his last, but here you are ranting out of left field about the backup.

Your fascination with Garoppolo is unsolicited and almost completely irrational, it's almost as if you think that trashing Garoppolo will make TB12 magically not 40 years old or something.

Conclusion: YOU THINK Garoppolo is our next quarterback whether you like it or not, and you don't like it, so you're inventing this fantasy of a literally immortal Brady and lashing out at anyone who challenges that absurd idea as if they were fans of Garoppolo and literally wanted #10 to start game 1 next year, even though nobody said this.

I want to emphasize that. Literally nobody here has said anybody but Brady should be the starting quarterback in the 2017 season.

At the end of the day you may be quoting other posters, Ivan, but the person you're really rebutting is yourself. Further posts referencing Garoppolo, or anyone else, being next year's starting quarterback can no longer be made by you in ignorance of this. If you insist on continuing this as your primary rebuttal to any mention of the end of Brady's career, you are literally talking to nobody.
 
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So why are you even posting? It's a discussion. We're discussing stuff related to the Patriots. Hence the forum.

Hell, with that logic we couldn't even discuss the weather.

[It rained yesterday]..........

"That's life in the big city"

"It is what it is"

"One in the hand is worth two in the bush"

"Is a frog's ass water tight?"

"Easy come easy go"

"Life is a box of chocolates"

Invigorating discussion PR.
You had a point to the 15th page of this thread Tony. The rest just reads like a re-run.

Is that invorating to you?

And the smiley is mine!
 
So why are you even posting? It's a discussion. We're discussing stuff related to the Patriots. Hence the forum.

Hell, with that logic we couldn't even discuss the weather.

[It rained yesterday]..........

"That's life in the big city"

"It is what it is"

"One in the hand is worth two in the bush"

"Is a frog's ass water tight?"

"Easy come easy go"

"Life is a box of chocolates"

Invigorating discussion PR.
One Day at a Time

Easy Does It

Keep It Simple
 
You had a point to the 15th page of this thread Tony. The rest just reads like a re-run.

Is that invorating to you?

And the smiley is mine!
Then why are you here? Pretty sure you are not shackled bodily to this thread
 
Nobody is throwing him under the bus we are realists simply put I'd bet my house a 26 year old Grap is the better move than a 41 year old Brady.
That's 15 years difference
Also watching this draft I saw desperate teams mortgage the future to reach for QBs that weeks prior we're said to be third round fliers, late second at best.

What's "said" about them is not evidence they weren't worthy of their first round selection.

I think Bill saw that too which is one of the many reasons he did not trade Jimmy G
I think you need to rewatch the Arizona and Miami games it's a small sample size but he shredded two very good defenses.

The Cardinals were under .500 and Miami had the 18th ranked scoring defense, 15th ranked pass defense and 29th ranked defense in yardage.
JG was good but "shredded" is a stretch. And that was with no scouting done on him. Most troubling of course is his durability to date. Not a big deal for a backup but a very big deal if we are thinking of him as our next great QB. One of Tom's best attributes is his toughness and durability and it's praised around the NFL by other players, guys who should be informed on the topic. To date there's little evidence that anyone will be saying that about JG.




Now you want to give that up to what maybe get another season or two out of Tom who is the greatest QB of all time but between his familys pull and father time you think BB wants to trade Jimmy G then watch Tom decline

Not necessarily an either-or. The Pats could let JG go and they could (and I believe will) draft the heir to Tom next year in a good QB class.

If he doesn't trade him to any team of his liking for fair compensation Tom has earned the right to control his destiny and career if he wishes to still pursue one in the NFL in the future.

The chances the team will be able to trade Tom is extremely small. When Bledsoe was traded the league and team needs were very different and he was 9 years younger than Tom.
 
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"no scouting done on him?" If either Miami or Arizona didn't scout Garoppolo going into those two games their scouting directors should be immediately fired. Everyone knew who the starting quarterback was gonna be.

I know what you meant to say. Garoppolo had a limited body of work and the book wasn't out on him. But still. Garoppolo did enough to win against 2 teams that were expected to be in the playoffs. It was a pair of good performances and suggests that Jimmy G does indeed have the talent to be an NFL starting quarterback. He's in the mix. So is Brady.

And I agree with the main premise, playing time is given for performance, not tenure, in Bill Belichick's Patriots. Brady will be the starter for as long as he's the better starter. If he isn't the better starter he won't be the starter. It's as simple as that.

Also don't sleep too hard on Jacoby Brisset. There's a lot about his performance in relief of Garoppolo that I really liked. The arm is maybe not elite in terms of accuracy or power, but he kept his head and played well despite very limited experience. He's got what it takes mentally, we'll see if the skill comes with practice. A few years working with this coaching staff and that name might be worth remembering.
 
"no scouting done on him?" If either Miami or Arizona didn't scout Garoppolo going into those two games their scouting directors should be immediately fired. Everyone knew who the starting quarterback was gonna be.

I know what you meant to say. Garoppolo had a limited body of work and the book wasn't out on him. But still. Garoppolo did enough to win against 2 teams that were expected to be in the playoffs. It was a pair of good performances and suggests that Jimmy G does indeed have the talent to be an NFL starting quarterback. He's in the mix. So is Brady.

And I agree with the main premise, playing time is given for performance, not tenure, in Bill Belichick's Patriots. Brady will be the starter for as long as he's the better starter. If he isn't the better starter he won't be the starter. It's as simple as that.

Also don't sleep too hard on Jacoby Brisset. There's a lot about his performance in relief of Garoppolo that I really liked. The arm is maybe not elite in terms of accuracy or power, but he kept his head and played well despite very limited experience. He's got what it takes mentally, we'll see if the skill comes with practice. A few years working with this coaching staff and that name might be worth remembering.

Pheww. Thank God. Brady is in the mix.
 
You know what I mean. Brady will have every opportunity to fight for and win his job. It goes without saying he has the inside track for the foreseeable future. But Garoppolo is here to make that fight as hard as he can, the same way Brady did with Bledsoe. That is Jimmy g's literal job right now.

Garoppolo has his work cut out for him but f he ever wants to beat out the goat. But you never want to rule things out entirely. And if we're being honest I think we would all admit Brady probably likes it that way. He has always responded very well to roster challenges.

There is no possible reason to start any quarterback other than Brady right now. None. But if you slipped Belichick truth serum and asked whether Garoppolo's chance of earning the job away was zero or greater than zero, I am absolutely convinced he would say it was greater than zero.
 
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