CB Aqib Talib re-signs (with Patriots) for One Year

[ralmat55]

The next question is can the Pats franchise him after next season or did they give away that right in this contract? Great resign! This was the one I was really sweating out for some reason.

 

[tonyto3690]

As of yesterday Talib was 'new guy'.

Don't really care how popular my opinion is. I am very confident in it from watching the tape, and making unbiased analysis.
I often disagree with the generally accepted misconception. There are still people here who say every deep pass vs McCourty was a guaranteed completion or DPI when he was called for 2 DPI and allowed 2 deep passes all season. If that is the basis of the consensus, I'll gladly be a contrarian.

Statistical facts say McCourty was an elite corner last year. It's just the Patriots secondary got a lot of (deserved) flak and were looking for every bad play, and the one or two times McCourty lost his matchup out of 60-80 snaps a game people would point to and claim he's playing terrible. People need to see highlights and the other 95% of the game that you didn't hear from McCourty, people want to believe he's getting roasted.

That and people like to listen to "experts" like Marshall Faulk, Warren Sapp, and Cris Carter.


I'd be okay with McCourty and Talib starting at CB as long as we get help at safety. Our problems at safety far outweigh our problems at CB.

 

[mgteich]

A) You posted that our safeties would be "new Guy" and Wilson.

B) I don't think that we are going to sign a starting safety, unless we sign Reed.

C) Yes, we could draft a safety and let camp decided whether we have 2 quality starters other than McCourty.

D) Personally, I agree with you. HOWEVER, I don't think that we just paid $4M a year to player that we expect to compete with Dowling for the #4 corner position. I think McCourty is now a safety.

E) I understand that McCourty can (and should) start at safety if one of our starting corners are injured. We need another corner or two.

As of yesterday Talib was 'new guy'.

Don't really care how popular my opinion is. I am very confident in it from watching the tape, and making unbiased analysis.
I often disagree with the generally accepted misconception. There are still people here who say every deep pass vs McCourty was a guaranteed completion or DPI when he was called for 2 DPI and allowed 2 deep passes all season. If that is the basis of the consensus, I'll gladly be a contrarian.

 

[Joey007]

They still need another quality CB and, hopefully, they'll go safety in round 1.

I think Wilson still deserves another shot as the starter and as the future. He may have been torched at time last year, but did flash potential.

 

[tonyto3690]

I suspect that you are one of the very few that wants McCourty to be our starting CB.

BTW, "new guy" rarely works as a starter. We would need to sign Reed and also draft a safety for the future.

McCourty was an elite corner last year. There is more value at corner than safety. It's just our safety play was so dreadful last year he was forced there and played at an equally elite level so he stuck there. If we can improve our safety play, McCourty should definitely slide back to corner.

 

[Joey007]

Talib
Dennard
Dowling
Arrington

w/ McCourty in a pinch.

It's safe to say the Patriots have CB covered.

Mccourty
Gregory
A. Wilson
T. Wilson
Ebner

at safety.

I see room for a developmental guy at CB, maybe M. Williams, and that's pretty much it.

They are DONE at this position (with the exception of not knowing Dennard's status).

Look to sign Vollmer, do something about the DL with Abraham or Freeney, focus on WRs and OL for the draft.

I would sign Winfield or Newman to fill out the CB's, then I'd agree with you.

 

[Sciz]

I forget who is was, but big LOL at the guy that said in the last few days that the Pats should have franchised him.

 

[Ring 6]

Statistical facts say McCourty was an elite corner last year. It's just the Patriots secondary got a lot of (deserved) flak and were looking for every bad play, and the one or two times McCourty lost his matchup out of 60-80 snaps a game people would point to and claim he's playing terrible. People need to see highlights and the other 95% of the game that you didn't hear from McCourty, people want to believe he's getting roasted.

That and people like to listen to "experts" like Marshall Faulk, Warren Sapp, and Cris Carter.


I'd be okay with McCourty and Talib starting at CB as long as we get help at safety. Our problems at safety far outweigh our problems at CB.

Totally agree.
Matt Light spend years here doing a tremendous job pass protecting against the best pass rushers in the NFL.
He held the top pass rushers (Abraham, Freeney, Taylor) to less than half of the sack production they got against all the other LTs in the NFL, and he went to retirement with the 'struggles against speed rushers' mislabel.
Why? A sack is bad, so if you give up one, even though every LT gives up sacks, most fans here think you now suck.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Talib
Dennard
Dowling
Arrington

w/ McCourty in a pinch.

It's safe to say the Patriots have CB covered.

Mccourty
Gregory
A. Wilson
T. Wilson
Ebner

at safety.

I see room for a developmental guy at CB, maybe M. Williams, and that's pretty much it.

They are DONE at this position (with the exception of not knowing Dennard's status).

Look to sign Vollmer, do something about the DL with Abraham or Freeney, focus on WRs and OL for the draft.

Now way they go into a season with just four CBs, especially when you consider that Dennard may be in jail or more likely suspended (he might escape suspension because he technically wasn't an NFL player when this incident happened) and Dowling will be on IR by the end of training camp, you can pretty much bank on that.

McCourtey gives them some cover because he can play corner. If we had signed Wilson 4 years ago I would have loved it, lets see what he has left, hopefully playing on a winning team will bring back the Wilson of old. The honey badger sadi that of all the teams at the combine, the Patriots quizzed him the most, although the Pats don't have picks in the 4th and 5th where he will most likely go.

 

[Ring 6]

A) You posted that our safeties would be "new Guy" and Wilson.

Because the premise of my post was that we add another safety and play McCourty at corner. What would you like me to call the safety we have yet to add?

B) I don't think that we are going to sign a starting safety, unless we sign Reed.

And I am saying we should. I didn't say I think mgteich thinks we should sign a safety, I said I want to. It doesn't have to be Reed.

C) Yes, we could draft a safety and let camp decided whether we have 2 quality starters other than McCourty.

Certainly another option.

D) Personally, I agree with you. HOWEVER, I don't think that we just paid $4M a year to player that we expect to compete with Dowling for the #4 corner position. I think McCourty is now a safety.

Lets be careful calling it 4mill a year before we see the contract. You know how dangerous that is.
Why are we all of sudden saying Dennard is the second coming?
He was brutalized vs SF as bad as Arrington ever was, and he was out there vs Bmore while we couldn't stop a nosebleed. And he faces jail time.
Arringtons contract may be #3 corner money BECAUSE Dennard is not a sure thing. The opinion of Darius Butler between year 1 and 2 was at least as high as Dennards today.
McCourty was a safety last offseason too, supposedly.

E) I understand that McCourty can (and should) start at safety if one of our starting corners are injured. We need another corner or two.

Corner is more vital than safety.
I would rather have McCourty at corner and a averge to above safety than McCourty at safety and Dennard then Arrignton at corner.

 

[mgteich]

fair enough.

You have now stated the heart of your opinion. You don't trust Dennard to be a starting corner. That's certainly a reasonable position.

In any case, we'll see. Most of us think that we need one more quality defensive back. This could come in free agency or the draft.

Because the premise of my post was that we add another safety and play McCourty at corner. What would you like me to call the safety we have yet to add?


And I am saying we should. I didn't say I think mgteich thinks we should sign a safety, I said I want to. It doesn't have to be Reed.


Certainly another option.


Lets be careful calling it 4mill a year before we see the contract. You know how dangerous that is.
Why are we all of sudden saying Dennard is the second coming?
He was brutalized vs SF as bad as Arrington ever was, and he was out there vs Bmore while we couldn't stop a nosebleed. And he faces jail time.
Arringtons contract may be #3 corner money BECAUSE Dennard is not a sure thing. The opinion of Darius Butler between year 1 and 2 was at least as high as Dennards today.
McCourty was a safety last offseason too, supposedly.


Corner is more vital than safety.
I would rather have McCourty at corner and a averge to above safety than McCourty at safety and Dennard then Arrignton at corner.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

They still need another quality CB and, hopefully, they'll go safety in round 1.

Agreed, as it stands we should draft a CB for outside depth and development. Talib and Glass IR have not proven to be durable, Arrington is best suited in the slot - hopefully shouldn't need to be pressed into outside duty again due to injury, and Talib is a FA again after this season. Safety should still be priority, developmental or someone who can step in right away would obviously be nice. But I definitely think despite all the signings we should use a pick on one of each.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think Wilson still deserves another shot as the starter and as the future. He may have been torched at time last year, but did flash potential.

If T. Wilson works out, he can be part of the 3 safety rotation moving forward. A. Wilson's seemingly on the decline, and probably won't be around much longer. Gregory's contract makes him an unlikely candidate for release this year, but next year is a different story. Ebner isn't in the equation until he demonstrates otherwise. So, if they draft the safety this year, they can bring him along slowly, unless/until his play forces the issue. Next year's 3 man safety group if T. Wilson pans out:

2013 Rnd 1 rookie
McCourty
T. Wilson

 

[Gumby]

This is GREAT NEWS!!:singing:

i really like keeping AT for some quality w/ bonus of continuity.

i can see why talib wants the one-year prove it deal with this year's both saturated cb market and no growth cap.

next year is much more likely that the media revenue contracts will come in to project more cap in the out years and a couple of spend-thrift teams will have all eaten their cap hell year(s) and be back to their no good ways.

I would expect an Oct-Nov bye-week type long-term contract offer from the Pats if he plays like i think he will and stays healthy/out of trouble like i hope. hopefully it wont cost them too much more than whatever the 5-year he turned down was.

 

[Ring 6]

fair enough.

You have now stated the heart of your opinion. You don't trust Dennard to be a starting corner. That's certainly a reasonable position.

In any case, we'll see. Most of us think that we need one more quality defensive back. This could come in free agency or the draft.

In addition to the fact that McCourty is an excellent corner (despite being trashed on this board, and by the idiot who sits 3 rows behind me at Gilette) so why waste him at safety.
I don't want to fix safety by putting one of my 2 best corners there, I want to fix it by getting a good safety.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Excellent News! 1 year is cool. Could have been no year/years so we'll go into this season then see what happens after that. It's all comin together, BB I take back Some of'da things I said about you lol

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

I am relieved Talib is back -- even if it is on a 1 year contract.

But I am far from overjoyed. When the market for CBs is soft (50% less than a year ago), shouldn't the Pats have upgraded their CB roster at bargain rates. Smith, a year younger than Talib, went to the Chiefs for 18M/3 years w/ $11 guaranteed. Rodgers-Cromartie went to Denver for 1 yr/5M. We do know that Talib had a 5 year offer from the Pats which he turned down. But while waiting for Talib, the Pats should have (like in the Amendola/Welker case) been aggressive in trying to get one of the other top CBs into the fold.

Free agency is not over but the pickings have slimmed down. Glad to have Talib back. Arrington is far from elite but knows the system. Still, can't help thinking what might have been at a reasonable price a great opportunity to upgrade the CB roster by reeling in Smith or equivalent. An opportunity that may not exist next year due to limited supply of elite CB freeagents and a rising cap.

And it is important to remember that next year, Talib's price may well be significantly higher -- with PatNation wishing BB had signed him for multiple years. You heard it here first.

 

[Claremonster]

And for Ras-I to have a make or break year. I'm till optimistic about him.

It's usually break.

 

[patsinthesnow]

I'd like to see us add another starting caliber safety.

CB- Talib and McCourty
S- Wilson and new guy
Nickel/Dime Arrington and Dennard
Backup safeties- Wilson and Gregory

That is a deep, deep secondary, and if Dowling gives anything even the better.

You could actually move McCourty to safety in the nickel/dime with Dennard outside and Arrington in the slot, or put Dowling in the mix if he shows something.

This will almost guarantee Arrington is never playing outside, and give us many options in the event of injury.

Sign Abraham and Freeney as well to get a great pass rush, and this will be a top 3 defense overnight. And a SB Champ, regardless of what we do at WR.

I know we just disagree on this issue, but you're wasting Dennard's talents on the bench as the dime CB. The claim vs. SF is false. He got beat by Moss in a rainstorm and GREGORY forgot his zone assignment, leaving Walker wide open for the TD.

He made Torrey Smith his biach in the AFCCG. Besides Casey Hayward, there wasn't a rookie CB that played better than Dennard.

We'll see what BB thinks in September.

 

[mgteich]

CORNER
We have Talib who has been injured half his time with the patriots.
We have Dennard who may or may not be as good as his rookie year.
We have Dowling who has been injured twice who has never produced.
We have Arrington who is a fine nickel back, but is not a backup outside corner.

And you say that we don't need another corner? I expect us to sign a couple of more, who can be competition and be viable backup at outside corner. I also expect us to draft a corner or a safety early.

Talib
Dennard
Dowling
Arrington

w/ McCourty in a pinch.

It's safe to say the Patriots have CB covered.

Mccourty
Gregory
A. Wilson
T. Wilson
Ebner

at safety.

I see room for a developmental guy at CB, maybe M. Williams, and that's pretty much it.

They are DONE at this position (with the exception of not knowing Dennard's status).

Look to sign Vollmer, do something about the DL with Abraham or Freeney, focus on WRs and OL for the draft.