BB Admits 2020 Is Bridge Year

[PatsFanInVa]

Bill be like "Screw Steve Young, where's my Carmen Policy?"*

*Joke explainer: Carmen Policy was the inveterate cap cheat who kept the 49ers dynasty going by just not stopping at the cap in 97 and Y2k.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Wow, look what I found! Should be handy, but now that we don't own the league, we probably need it less.

The San Francisco 49ers Complete Cheating History

The San Francisco 49ers are ABOVE AVERAGE NFL cheaters. They have executed 9 cheats and have a CheatScore of 37!

yourteamcheats.com

(I was just looking at SF... it's for all teams. That's refreshing.)

 

[203Pat]

Yeah, sure bud...

Like I said they didn’t click till the post season bud.

 

[Wozzy]

Like I said they didn’t click till the post season bud.

No, it was talent... they simply didn't have any.

Just like 2014 before "we're on to Cincinnati," like 2016 when the "defense sucks," and on and on and on....

"No talent" is the laziest take in football. It's never execution... that never comes up... you know, blocking, tackling. It's always talent, life is like John Madden football, talent levels ebb and flow, it comes one week, it's gone the next when the new power rankings come out.

All the Patriots weapons were on an upward trend weeks one and two... then Cam tanked, not because Cam was bad, but because all of his weapons simultaneously lost their talent... all of them... at the same time.

This week he has a moderately improved game and it's because of Jakobi Meyers... the slowest receiver on our roster. Sounds legit.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Neither did their opponents. That aside, I am not sure any of them had GM power the way Belichick does, except maybe Parcells towards the end of his career with the Jets and Cowboys (and his first two years in NE but certainly not his last 2), but those teams were not where he had his success.

The disparity in the NFL those years was much more pronounced because of the fact that there was no salary cap. The difference between the haves and have-nots was large. Small market/cheap owners didn’t stock up.

 

[slash83]

I’d sellout again if meant more super bowl wins. You play this game to win championships, nothing else.

 

[jmt57]

I am not understanding why some fans would prefer that Belichick had made transactions to better this team in the short term - at the expense of long-term success - when anyone with a sound mind would agree that those hypothetical 2020 upgrades would not have been enough to get this team to the Super Bowl.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Those are all Bill's decisions, correct? I mean he had to take an expensive flyer on AB because he had not drafted any WRs. Same with spending the 2 on Sanu. And he could have easily extended Brady back when Brady asked in 17 and 18 but instead he put 2 dummy years on that created the dead cap. If he did not expect Brady to leave after that than he is truly not as smart as we all have given him credit for. But the point remains, all decisions are Bill's. He made a ton of mistakes the last 6 years with the draft and the handling of the QB position. The issue most of us have is that he won't OWN any of it. His comments insinuate that the state of the team is just the natural process of the way league is structured. That is totally baloney.

He gets good advice about OLine evals because of Scar. Look at Onwenu. He whiffs on relying on McD for Harry and Michel. Belichick isn't scouting 500 college kids a year. He uses the reports and who people say are in the same tier value grouping.

 

[Tony2046]

Not too sure I would consider ‘em draft picks. More like shelling out a lot of money for FA pick ups.

Depends on how they perform on the field.

 

[Wozzy]

BB whiffed on Newton, he took his shot at a reclamation project and it didn't work. I view 2020 a lot like 2001, but instead of a plethora of things working out... they didn't.

They had no business winning in 2001, they had "no talent," the roster was full of old value vet free agents nobody wanted, they were in the middle of a rebuilding year... but Bill put together a patchwork team and shocked the world.

A year later in 2002 they really had to invest, rebuild the team and went 9-7. They had Tom in 2002 also, why didn't they do better then if he is the only reason they win? Wrong, team is why they win and especially win rings. Offense, defense and special teams... all three phases.

Cam blows, don't tell me about weapons or talent when the QB has trouble throwing it in the ocean. I almost think they won't play Stidham at this point because he may improve and threaten their draft position.

 

[Wozzy]

I am not understanding why some fans would prefer that Belichick had made transactions to better this team in the short term - at the expense of long-term success - when anyone with a sound mind would agree that those hypothetical 2020 upgrades would not have been enough to get this team to the Super Bowl.

They would rather see Brady on a Patriot's team too bereft of talent to compete for a ring than endure a single season of reloading.

Many also believe QB's are the only reason teams win. Tom is on an all-star team in Tampa, what he's doing now, he isn't doing on a cap strapped team like the Patriots in 2020. Also Cam sucks, Cam sucking is no justification for why they should have spent on Brady when they couldn't afford it. Cam sucks, one thing has nothing to do with another. They still need a QB.

Eat the dead cap in 2020, draft a stud QB in 2021, spend the abundance of cap money on a surrounding team and draft well. They'll say the seeds for the next dynasty were planted in 2020.

 

[jmt57]

They would rather see Brady on a Patriot's team too bereft of talent to compete for a ring than endure a single season of reloading.

Many also believe QB's are the only reason teams win. Tom is on an all-star team in Tampa, what he's doing now, he isn't doing on a cap strapped team like the Patriots in 2020. Also Cam sucks, Cam sucking is no justification for why they should have spent on Brady when they couldn't afford it. Cam sucks, one thing has nothing to do with another. They still need a QB.

Eat the dead cap in 2020, draft a stud QB in 2021, spend the abundance of cap money on a surrounding team and draft well. They'll say the seeds for the next dynasty were planted in 2020.

Football is the ultimate team game - unlike for example basketball, where one player equals 20% of both your offense and your defense.

Yes, QB is obviously more important than the RG - but the notion that if TB12 was here the Pats would be super bowl contenders is ludicrous.

He left at just the right time for his legacy, just as Peyton did from Indy. That 2011 Colts team was headed to double digit losses with or without Manning.

 

[203Pat]

No, it was talent... they simply didn't have any.

Just like 2014 before "we're on to Cincinnati," like 2016 when the "defense sucks," and on and on and on....

"No talent" is the laziest take in football. It's never execution... that never comes up... you know, blocking, tackling. It's always talent, life is like John Madden football, talent levels ebb and flow, it comes one week, it's gone the next when the new power rankings come out.

All the Patriots weapons were on an upward trend weeks one and two... then Cam tanked, not because Cam was bad, but because all of his weapons simultaneously lost their talent... all of them... at the same time.

This week he has a moderately improved game and it's because of Jakobi Meyers... the slowest receiver on our roster. Sounds legit.

Oh okay. This team is just bursting with talent and they’re ready to let loose at the perfect time. Please put down the Kool Aid.

 

[captain stone]

I am not understanding why some fans would prefer that Belichick had made transactions to better this team in the short term - at the expense of long-term success - when anyone with a sound mind would agree that those hypothetical 2020 upgrades would not have been enough to get this team to the Super Bowl.

I certainly wouldn't have given away a conditional 6th-rounder for Isaiah Ford, that's for sure...even one in 2022...

 

[DarrylS]

To be fair then Josh McDaniels is like 3-30 without Tom Brady across St Louis, Denver, and now.

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Kind of a stretch there eh?? McDaniels was 11 & 17 as the HC of the Broncos...

St. Louis was a disaster, but do you blame him for that also.. Sam Bradford as QB??

 

[Keyser Söze]

Belichick has to have better drafts if we want to be competitive again.

 

[amfootball]

They would rather see Brady on a Patriot's team too bereft of talent to compete for a ring than endure a single season of reloading.

Many also believe QB's are the only reason teams win. Tom is on an all-star team in Tampa, what he's doing now, he isn't doing on a cap strapped team like the Patriots in 2020. Also Cam sucks, Cam sucking is no justification for why they should have spent on Brady when they couldn't afford it. Cam sucks, one thing has nothing to do with another. They still need a QB.

Eat the dead cap in 2020, draft a stud QB in 2021, spend the abundance of cap money on a surrounding team and draft well. They'll say the seeds for the next dynasty were planted in 2020.

This is not going to be a single season of reloading. Our roster is in putrid shape. We literally have no QBs on the current team worth keeping. We have no receivers, TEs, LBs and our defensive front stinks. Our best DB will be traded this off-season. Oh, and we don't have a kicker.
This is a complete overhaul. Will take years before we are contending for chips again.

 

[Wozzy]

Football is the ultimate team game - unlike for example basketball, where one player equals 20% of both your offense and your defense.

Yes, QB is obviously more important than the RG - but the notion that if TB12 was here the Pats would be super bowl contenders is ludicrous.

He left at just the right time for his legacy, just as Peyton did from Indy. That 2011 Colts team was headed to double digit losses with or without Manning.

Good enough to win regular season games, maybe not good enough to win a ring, but really after he's gone they are strapped with enormous debt that will debilitate their ability to rebound for multiple seasons.

 

[Wozzy]

Oh okay. This team is just bursting with talent and they’re ready to let loose at the perfect time. Please put down the Kool Aid.

They have no QB. The season begins and ends there... especially for the "weapons." Harry is in the head trauma ward due to the QB, not because he can't separate. You don't need to have the best QB in the league, but you need to have at least "good" QB Play, they don't have that.

They have the 30th ranked QB in the NFL in QR Rating. He has 2 TD's, 7 INT's, 3 Fumbles and oh yeah, he's only thrown the 29th fewest pass attempts in the league, his stats are buffered by the team's fear of letting him throw.

They have quite a bit of talent, but most of it's young and inexperienced. That's a world of difference from no talent. Next season they'll return most of the O-Line and Defensive backfield which are among the best in the league, the kids will have more experience and they'll find their QB in the draft or free agency. They're stacked with picks and flush with cash next season.

 

[Wozzy]

This is not going to be a single season of reloading. Our roster is in putrid shape. We literally have no QBs on the current team worth keeping. We have no receivers, TEs, LBs and our defensive front stinks. Our best DB will be traded this off-season. Oh, and we don't have a kicker.
This is a complete overhaul. Will take years before we are contending for chips again.