Stefon Diggs Has Been Cut. Clear Draft Implications.

[manxman2601]

At least there are pending FA. However, if it's not addressed in FA, it becomes a potential round one need.

Otoh, there is this.

 

[upstater1]

The problem is that rookie WRs rarely help, whereas a good tackle or a good DE help immediately.

Im not a fan of giving big money to Alec Pierce either.

 

[manxman2601]

The problem is that rookie WRs rarely help, whereas a good tackle or a good DE help immediately.

Im not a fan of giving big money to Alec Pierce either.

My issue with Pierce is that he hasn't been a volume receiver with 47 being his most in a season. That's 40 odd catches they need from somewhere else.

 

[manxman2601]

Agreed.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think that the Pats are going to push Williams, Boutte, and possibly even Douglas to be better.

I think that, with as deep as the draft is at TE, LB and WR, the Pats could double dip at those 3 positions while adding an IOL, RT, and RB.

 

[DaBruinz]

Agreed.

I agree about the draft. I disagree about the Free Agency market for WR. There are far too many "OLD" guys like Evans, Patrick, and Cooks. In fact, there are 31 Free Agent WRs who are 30+ this season.

The WRs who are 29 and younger leave a lot to be desired. In fact, out of the ones who are 29 or younger, there isn't a single one who I believe brings half of what Diggs brought.

 

[manxman2601]

I agree about the draft. I disagree about the Free Agency market for WR. There are far too many "OLD" guys like Evans, Patrick, and Cooks. In fact, there are 31 Free Agent WRs who are 30+ this season.

The WRs who are 29 and younger leave a lot to be desired. In fact, out of the ones who are 29 or younger, there isn't a single one who I believe brings half of what Diggs brought.

I meant the draft bit of that tweet.

 

[scott99]

My issue with Pierce is that he hasn't been a volume receiver with 47 being his most in a season. That's 40 odd catches they need from somewhere else.

Just remember who the QBs were during his career. When they finally get a somewhat decent QB in Daniel Jones, Pierce had his first 1,000 yard season. And he also was not the #1 target, Pittman and the TE Warren were the guys who got 100+ targets.

If the Pats get him, he’ll be the #1 target. We will know by Monday afternoon (the negotiation window opens) if he’s a Patriot. I’d like to see the Pats add Shaheed as well, as a good #2 or #3 receiver who’s a great kick returner as well with elite speed.

Can you imagine Pierce & Shaheed ? Geez, the speed added to the offense would be amazing.

 

[Sect140]

My issue with Pierce is that he hasn't been a volume receiver with 47 being his most in a season. That's 40 odd catches they need from somewhere else.

It’s a good point however after signing Milton Williams some were concerned that he wasn’t a starter in Philly how would he handle the workload of a starter. I’m guessing if Pierce is given the opportunity to have 70 to 80 catches he’ll be up for it, now with that said I wouldn’t pay him 30 million a year.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

They do not have to necessarily spend Digg's cap space on a FA WR. They might sign a FA TE, for example. Or even a FA EDGE and LG, and then draft a WR early and bolt on a mid level FA WR too. Who knows what the Pats are thinking, but at least they are not simply signing their own guys and hoping things improve. Younger, cheaper, and better. In the NFL that is what every team has to keep on doing, and I am glad we are not shying away from it.

 

[upstater1]

My issue with Pierce is that he hasn't been a volume receiver with 47 being his most in a season. That's 40 odd catches they need from somewhere else.

Same issue with me. The target rate of 50% is even worse. The 20 ypc is gaudy but Boutte has a 17ypc with a 70% target rate.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Same issue with me. The target rate of 50% is even worse. The 20 ypc is gaudy but Boutte has a 17ypc with a 70% target rate.

With Maye I am confident that Pierce's target rate will go up (trying to be honest), but I agree with what I think your post is saying - that Pierce is a MEH signing.

 

[manxman2601]

Same issue with me. The target rate of 50% is even worse. The 20 ypc is gaudy but Boutte has a 17ypc with a 70% target rate.

He just said in an interview that the team will have to throw him the ball more because he's earning the big money. He's not wrong, but it comes across as a bit entitled. The onus is on him to prove he's worthy of being thrown the ball more.

Alec Pierce on putting up 1,000 yards last season on a limited target share (via
@UpAndAdamsShow

"That's what I'm most excited about, getting paid and being a free agent—or getting a big contract, is the coaches and the front office know they have to back up that contract. So I'm no longer gonna be an 80 target player. If I get paid this big contract, they're gonna have to throw me the ball more...

A lot of times the stuff I was doing [with the Colts] was all downfield, it was pretty low percentage-type stuff and that was just the nature of our offense... the more short game, intermediate game—that's probably a little bit easier [for] completions—is going to be stuff that I'm going to take on a larger portion of now. I'm kind of projecting towards doing that because you've got to justify paying a receiver this much money and you can't be a guy that's catching two balls a game."

 

[upstater1]

With Maye I am confident that Pierce's target rate will go up (trying to be honest), but I agree with what I think your post is saying - that Pierce is a MEH signing.

I'd love him as a #2 receiver making Diggs money.

And speaking of paying #2 receivers, this is Boutte's 4th year.

Are they going to really blow up the locker room?

Wouldn't we rather just wait to see what we have in Boutte and Douglas? We still don't know.

Paying AJ Brown makes more sense to me if you can get him for peanuts in resources. At least there you can say to Boutte, look at AJ Brown, he's 30 and has had a heckuva career!

 

[stelfans]

It will be either Pierce or Brown.
I’m not sure what and who I want just yet.

But if we could replace Diggs with Omar Cooper I would be thrilled.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'd love him as a #2 receiver making Diggs money.

And speaking of paying #2 receivers, this is Boutte's 4th year.

Are they going to really blow up the locker room?

Wouldn't we rather just wait to see what we have in Boutte and Douglas? We still don't know.

Paying AJ Brown makes more sense to me if you can get him for peanuts in resources. At least there you can say to Boutte, look at AJ Brown, he's 30 and has had a heckuva career!

I don't want to pay Pierce the Digg's money. Pierce has never been a #1. It would be an overpay. And I do not like losing draft picks for disgruntled AJ Brown. Use Diggs money on a EDGE and draft a WR in R1. Draft a TE in R2 or R3. Be creative, not a 1 for 1 replacement. Get younger, cheaper, and better. (I am Vrable posting in disguise but I didn't get kicked off X for starting a riot).

 

[bakes781]

The problem is that rookie WRs rarely help, whereas a good tackle or a good DE help immediately.

Im not a fan of giving big money to Alec Pierce either.

They actually do. Just not here. Lol

McConkey
Name any from Ohio State and LSU
Odunze
McMillan
Worthy
Deebo
AJ
DK

 

[manxman2601]

It will be either Pierce or Brown.
I’m not sure what and who I want just yet.

But if we could replace Diggs with Omar Cooper I would be thrilled.

Depending on FA, it makes that first round pick more interesting.

 

[upstater1]

They actually do. Just not here. Lol

McConkey
Name any from Ohio State and LSU
Odunze
McMillan
Worthy
Deebo
AJ
DK

The bottom 3 were different, but all the top ones were pieces of a puzzle.

It should be obvious I'm not talking about top ranked draftees that we're never going to get.

 

[upstater1]

I don't want to pay Pierce the Digg's money. Pierce has never been a #1. It would be an overpay. And I do not like losing draft picks for disgruntled AJ Brown. Use Diggs money on a EDGE and draft a WR in R1. Draft a TE in R2 or R3. Be creative, not a 1 for 1 replacement. Get younger, cheaper, and better. (I am Vrable posting in disguise but I didn't get kicked off X for starting a riot).

Again we have the problem of a 34 year old tackle.

We ned to draft one because this is the year.

The draft has an abundance of tackles for the first time in a bazillion years. But they will all be gone before the end of the 2nd round