Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Vikings beat the Pats

[crawhammer]

Henry should have prioritized possession of the football. He didn't need to expose the ball to the ground.

I still say the game was ultimately lost by ST.

 

[Joker]

I guess the membership here at PatsFans.com knows more about what's a catch than the officiating headquarters of the NFL.

 

[Triumph]

LMAO

But there are people that dont care about the team so long as Mac is out there. Were to the point of being elated that his sacks are not interceptions.

Mac needs a WR like Jefferson.
Mac needs a OC like Sean Payton.
Mac needs an OL who can block for 10 seconds.

 

[ashley]

Wether you think the call was incomplete or not did you read the quotes from the officials referencing obsolete rules? Doesn't bode well for the headquarters and knowledgeable.

That particular poster didn't read anything. He has one thing on his mind and that's trolling the Patriots fans and he's close to being gone.

 

[1960Pats]

Is this obstructed?

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When two angles show completely different results how can one be right and the other be wrong?

By definition that is not irrefutable because something is refuting your interpretation.

The prudent thing to do was to allow the call on the field to stand.

I've seen the play almost a zillion times and I still haven't seen the ball touch the ground.
Let's face it, that's what we get with the JIC (Jets in charge).

 

[1960Pats]

But there are people that dont care about the team so long as Mac is out there. Were to the point of being elated that his sacks are not interceptions.

Mac needs a WR like Jefferson.
Mac needs a OC like Sean Payton.
Mac needs an OL who can block for 10 seconds.

Mac needs a break from the Zap crap, just like we do here.

 

[Real fan 02]

19 QBs drafted in the last 2 drafts and only 2 have winning records. I leave out who those 2 are as the point of me posting this is that winning with young QBs in this league is very difficult.

I'm sure corrupt NFL executive Troy Vincent who never liked the patriots going back to his playing days.. had every bit of say on that call..

 

[Real fan 02]

Kind of glad personally the D kind of played the way they did.. as judon said they want to get that bad taste out thier mouth.. hope that starts with forcing an actual punt this time!

I feel like what's missing to the offense is that crucial 3rd down back, Montgomery was supposed to be that but he's on IR.. Brady Thrived with Faulk, Woodhead, white, those players allowed us to maintain drives..

 

[RobertWeathers]

You left out this note:

If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds.

I didn't because it's irrelevant to the issue which is the call on the field should not have been overturned because of irrefutable evidence. There was plenty of reasonable doubt on that play.

The ball hit the ground, he lost control of the ball, and only regained control of the ball after criteria for an incompletion (above) was met.

Really? You don't see HH's left hand underneath the ball? You are 1000% sure that not the case?

Your position is HHs hand is nowhere near between the ball and ground. Wow.

Now I think you are trolling.

 

[Real fan 02]

Mac needs a break from the Zap crap, just like we do here.

Now that Kraft appointed groh seemingly in charge of drafting I feel Thornton will pan out, he'll put on some muscle and be more involved in the offense next season.. we have some players on offense just need that game changer!

I'd absolutely love it if Sean Payton ran the offense!

Mac looked like the qb from last season against Minnesota

Hopefully we can force a punt against Bills...

 

[RobertWeathers]

I've seen the play almost a zillion times and I still haven't seen the ball touch the ground.
Let's face it, that's what we get with the JIC (Jets in charge).

Even if there are some camera angles which show the ball hitting the ground that's not the real issue. The issue is a) the call on the field was a TD. b) you have 100s of angles which show HHs hand underneath and some not. c) NFL officials are using an abolished rule and applying it today d) it's reasonable to say the defender's hand/helmet cause the ball to move which still didn't touch the ground.

There is plenty of reasonable doubt and questions as to what caused the ball to move. None of which is enough to overturn the call on the field.

Horrible.

 

[Real fan 02]

But there are people that dont care about the team so long as Mac is out there. Were to the point of being elated that his sacks are not interceptions.

Mac needs a WR like Jefferson.
Mac needs a OC like Sean Payton.
Mac needs an OL who can block for 10 seconds.

I'll take 1 out of the 3.... however those odds are as bad as the lottery..

 

[1960Pats]

Even if there are some camera angles which show the ball hitting the ground that's not the real issue. The issue is a) the call on the field was a TD. b) you have 100s of angles which show HHs hand underneath and some not. c) NFL officials are using an abolished rule and applying it today d) it's reasonable to say the defender's hand/helmet cause the ball to move which still didn't touch the ground.

There is plenty of reasonable doubt and questions as to what caused the ball to move. None of which is enough to overturn the call on the field.

Horrible.

Before I Looked at the play again my thought was that he caught it and then reached out with the ball, which to me meant that he had made a football move and was now a runner. The play was actually faster than I thought and it could have still been part of the catch.

Of all the egregious things that took place on that play, c) is by far the worst. And it's so, so Jet.

 

[Zuma]

Henry should have prioritized possession of the football. He didn't need to expose the ball to the ground.

I still say the game was ultimately lost by ST.

Their are 100000000000 photos all over the internet with his hand under the ball…securing it. Google is your friend.

 

[signbabybrady]

I'll take 1 out of the 3.... however those odds are as bad as the lottery..

I wouldn't expect coaching changes.
One can dream of a WR like Jefferson tough to make happen.
But they better improve the O-line and I'd be shocked if they don't invest draft and cash in this problem.

So 1 out of 3 is absolutely necessary and odds should be much greater than a lottery. Even without Scar if they invest this shouldn't be a lottery and needs to happen.

 

[Real fan 02]

I wouldn't expect coaching changes.
One can dream of a WR like Jefferson tough to make happen.
But they better improve the O-line and I'd be shocked if they don't invest draft and cash in this problem.

So 1 out of 3 is absolutely necessary and odds should be much greater than a lottery. Even without Scar if they invest this shouldn't be a lottery and needs to happen.

Well, it's all on this. Do you feel BB will make any coaching changes?

Do you feel he'd go after a JJ type reciever?

Those odds to find one is what I'm comparing to the lottery.. had he listened to his own scouts and made those collaborate decisions like now then we'd have those elite types at WR.

Like I mentioned groh is the new Scott piloi,

The o line started having issues when brown and wynn swapped sides.. reports were both were reluctant to do so.. so you have 2 unhappy tackles and you get what we been witnessing!

 

[ashley]

Some. positive signs for the O-line: hopefully Andrews will be back this week:

 

[Triumph]

Mac needs a break from the Zap crap, just like we do here.

Zappe has not been mentioned at all.

Its been Macs show 100%. When you dont throw any TDs in weeks that is a concern. When the Punter is called out 7 times in a game thats a red flag. This Patriots team is very good and needs efficient and clutch QB play to have a chance at making it deep in the playoffs. We had the Vikings on the ropes and let them get away.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Even if there are some camera angles which show the ball hitting the ground that's not the real issue. The issue is a) the call on the field was a TD. b) you have 100s of angles which show HHs hand underneath and some not. c) NFL officials are using an abolished rule and applying it today d) it's reasonable to say the defender's hand/helmet cause the ball to move which still didn't touch the ground.

There is plenty of reasonable doubt and questions as to what caused the ball to move. None of which is enough to overturn the call on the field.

Horrible.

Correct.
Plus if you dig into this, even if a) "survive the ground" were still the rule, and b) it did touch the ground, it still survived it cause the ball was under full control at the moment it touched the ground, and it never touched the ground again. So at each moment of the catch, it was in compliance.

 

[captain stone]

You left out this note:

If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds.

The ball hit the ground, he lost control of the ball, and only regained control of the ball after criteria for an incompletion (above) was met.

The ground did NOT cause him to lose control of the ball!

To repeat:

THE

GROUND

DID

NOT

CAUSE

HIM

TO

LOSE

CONTROL

OF

THE

FOOTBALL!


What the **** is wrong with some of you people?!? Are you blind? Are you on drugs (oops never mind that's me...)?